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Rendlesham forest incident that aliens

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flying-saucer really standing in the

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clearing he turned over it's my father

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Alejandro how are you you're back from

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the South from Florida I am I am back

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from Florida yeah I want to hear how

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that went uh some of my UFO buddies were

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there how was that it went great yeah it

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was a lot of fun

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I thought the lineup was great you just

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mentioned the PSN network angel Espino

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who started that lives in Florida and

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he's someone I've been working with for

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years and he says I don't know if you've

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heard this and I'm very flattered he

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says it over and over again he got

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inspired even to

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do podcasting because he was a fan of my

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show but I remember back in the day

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hearing from him so but after all of

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these years of him listening to my UFO

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show

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UFO think tank and then open minds this

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is the first time I've met him face to

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ah so that was really cool but otherwise

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great speakers I mean Erlang strand from

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Norway where I excellent yeah that was

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really cool to hear him and his

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perspectives on that and I was able to

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confirm if you didn't make it to move on

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we're gonna bring him to the UFO

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Congress so oh he says his schedule

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should be able to accommodate it and he

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is very excited about it so wait till

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you see some of the video and cool stuff

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they have from Norway there I can't

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believe that just just for the listener

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that's not aware of this this is a

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scientific study that's been going on

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for a long time there's a little like a

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building with a bunch of instruments

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that they measure this light phenomena

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that happens in this area called Heslin

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and they have plenty of videos in fact

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has DeLand lights and you're gonna find

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University of Oslo but I know lots of

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people out of that university have

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headed up a scientific investigation of

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these lights they don't know what they

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are and interesting enough you know that

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they think they could be some sort of

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plasma ball and professor strand does

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not agree with that he thinks that they

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appear at times to be intelligently

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controlled which is a very interesting

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videos I'm not sure I'm not sure but

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the I think a lot on People's Choice or

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or best full-length documentary at

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the UFO Congress just a few years ago on

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this case a couple of people from Norway

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they actually came out to the UFO

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Congress from Norway to accept their

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award and to show their documentary but

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and they do have a version in English or

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on the head stolen lights yeah yeah

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that's a that's a another one of these

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areas but to hear you know someone like

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him who's been studying at think that

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there aren't as intelligently controlled

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suggesting that somehow that has to do

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know natural phenomena mm-hmm and I was

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wondering about where the Heslin lights

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of deposits of any type of minerals or

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look in the analysis and they that has

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geology of the area has all been looked

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geology although there are some things

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that are different out there that could

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anybody's seen that it's particularly

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you know unique that it has features

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that's pretty calm what about Ben moss

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and Tony I was very excited to hear they

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were talking mostly about the Socorro

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incident weren't they yeah that was

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really interesting especially for people

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case but it is actually very interesting

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for people who do know about the case

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such as myself also because I got to

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learn about more witnesses there are a

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lot more witnesses and then I knew I got

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to see the analysis on you know

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the things that people thought it could

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be and why it was not more pictures in

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that I've ever seen of you know Lonnie

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Zamora the person who witnessed that

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that UFO in a great video with Rafe out

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or ray Stanford

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yeah Stanford yeah and it's you know

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talking about his research into this

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he's the the guy who's researched it the

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most I mean for many many years and so

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it was really cool to see him talking

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about it and to see pictures and and a

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video of him and talking with Hynek as a

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very young man about the investigation

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so some really cool stuff that was a lot

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of fun yeah I would like to see that

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I really would and Ray is a dedicated

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listener to this show so he's listening

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right now I'm sure of it

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great yeah the other talks and they were

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all good I don't think there was a bad

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talk at all a lot of them were really

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haven't heard before and I had bill

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MUFON man he goes by a retired police

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officer who had an incredible sighting

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and he hadn't spoken you know at a UFO

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conference before but he did great he

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was really interesting he had a

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phenomenal case a sighting he had while

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he was in the military that he spoke

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about and it was a really and he was

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just great I mean he's a very likable

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person and it was just one of those

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great things to see someone with you

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know the the background he has talking

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about his investigations into the topic

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but he was really good too but everybody

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was really good I thought it was great

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like that I didn't notice that I mean I

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go to MUFON conferences every single

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year I think I've only missed one the

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one in Kentucky maybe three or four

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years ago and they've all had similar

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turnouts I think

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california-irvine always does a little

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better and otherwise you know they're

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all about the same and this one was not

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the least attendant that I've seen so it

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was you know it had a good turnout I

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mean at the dinner there was a big that

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the room was full so it was really fun

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and just that the number of people is

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great we were talking about Earling

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strand he's actually what they've done

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out at the Heslin lights with all of

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these cameras and everything that that

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group UFO data is trying to reproduce

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and put more units around and and

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Earling is part of that crew but it was

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interesting they had at least kind of a

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couple social so socials or gatherings

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where people from UFO data mark from

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who's got the you photog project going

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on and Bill Schroeder and Morgan Bell

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from Florida MUFON they have their own

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night sky observation kind of project

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that they've been doing as well so they

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all got together to kind of share what

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they were doing the idea was them to

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hopefully network and share ideas and

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work together I don't know if that's

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gonna happen I don't know that in these

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meetings we learn at least I learn

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anything that I didn't know before but

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that's kind of I it's not necessarily

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fair because I've interviewed all of

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these guys whereas others haven't so but

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it was really cool that they actually

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all got to be together and and discuss

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their projects so that was another

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important thing that happened out there

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happen because I've actually been

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advocating that the they talk so it

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sounds like perhaps a first step or

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maybe they have even gone beyond that

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that's excellent yeah at least a first

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step and then I also got to go to Epcot

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where I got to participate in a mission

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to Mars oh really

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yeah things went a little haywire we

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were on a bracket the there was some

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sort of telemetry that went wrong so we

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kind of had to crash-land on

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but Gary Sinise was our at the Capcom

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you know guiding us through everything

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and we made it you made it awesome how

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is the Red Planet these days uh it looks

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good looks good there's a base out there

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and when we arrived and Satan finally

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landed safely the personnel at the base

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were really excited did you happen to

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see Schwarzenegger swatching Haga was

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not there I just wanted to hear you

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imitate him that's why I brought that up

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wow that's great so what glassed amaz so

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what else is going on anything happening

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four sightings or anything like that

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that's really the best news out there no

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there are some things going on there is

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a bit an interesting UFO video from

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August 19 to 2016 that we just posted

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yesterday from Portland Oregon of course

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this is another Roger Marsh story from

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the MUFON files what's interesting about

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this is you do see some lights in the

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sky it starts off with a couple lights

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in the sky and and they look to be kind

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of flickering so you're thinking well

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maybe Chinese lanterns may be flares but

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then another light comes on a little

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further away flickers for a while and

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then goes out which is not indicative of

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a Chinese lantern that's not so strange

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for a flare however they're it's not

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over at there aren't any military bases

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in the area it appears so there still

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could be a prosaic answer to this

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sighting but it is a little bit odd at

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first so at least I haven't seen anybody

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really crack this case yet but yeah

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that's an interesting one well yeah a

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Chinese lantern

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cannot rise without being on the whole

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entire time so forth exactly just come

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on that is interesting a flare could do

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that but you'd see a streak when it was

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shot up you know you

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if someone shot out of a flare gun or

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something yeah yeah so yeah I don't know

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there have been divers you know with

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shrieking right

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on them oh that's I don't know yeah I

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don't know what it might have been it

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didn't look like that either because you

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see them kind of twisting and turning

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and and things like that so I'm not

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quite sure what it is yet but it's

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pretty interesting so what else is

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happening yeah there are a couple

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headlines too you know and we post those

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on our front page also under articles

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you can go see the daily UFO headlines

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but just a couple bigger stories that

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are out there that we we don't

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necessarily have stories from but the

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biggest being said II haven't gotten a

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signal recently that was a strong signal

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and it seems like more of the media is

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saying it possibly could have been alien

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as opposed to SETI itself in fact Shaw

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stack says Shaw stack posted a video on

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why he doesn't think it's aliens but

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that's creating kind of a buzz out there

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too I bet so this happened back into a

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prolonged 2015 if I recall and the

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Russians and I'm trying to think who

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else we're involved and kind of didn't

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really talk about it until recently so

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I'm sure there's a little bit of buzz

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about that as well yeah so everybody's

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posting about that it's really all over

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the place yeah if I remember right it's

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96 light years away and they know that

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there is a planet around that Sun but

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they're not they think it's more like a

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mercury type planet or something like

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that no earth-like planet found but

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szostak is is obviously pretty I think

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he's a little peeved that people are

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running with this kind an alien signal

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yeah well I think the reason are part of

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the reason is you know anytime someone

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keeps something quiet for a while and

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then it comes out you know if the

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conspiracy conspiracy theorists kind of

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go after something like that and it's

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more fun to put in your headline aliens

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you know you're gonna get some more

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clicks if you put that in there slightly

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yeah yeah absolutely

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hey you said there was a couple things

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anything else

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yeah let me see there are other videos I

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mean interesting enough there have been

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some videos in lately so for instance in

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weicome

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most of these are kind of in the UK

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actually there was a blue flash that was

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in the sky otherwise just the news has

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some other videos out there that luckily

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are not from security 10 or or what's

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this other one section 51 I think or

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from you know hoax videos these are just

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people who have submitted videos to them

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and some of them are a bit interesting

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but yeah there have been a quite a few

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of those out lately as well which is

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pretty cool and you can see everything

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on your website or link to it so most of

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them right yeah exactly all of these you

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can find an open mind to that TV

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excellent so thanks so much

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Alejandro thank you my friend alright

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and glad to have you back safe and sound

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and we'll be talking next week excellent

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all right hang on everyone

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we have a quick music break and we'll be

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right back with the one and only Sam

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that clip is by Bruce Renier a fan of

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the show he lives in Canada thank you

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Bruce sam moranto welcome back to the

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show

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what a pleasure to be back my friend and

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it's nice hearing Alejandro's voice and

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did we not have one act of a great time

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at the conference oh my gosh that was

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that was really a blast

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it was so great hanging with you and

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Julie we just had such a good time and

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by the way if you haven't heard sam

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moranto on the show before and you're

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new to us Sam was on with we were

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together for a little while helping out

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with the show and I consider Sam one of

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my good friends and really a pleasure to

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always talk to you Sam well it's it's

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the same goes this way here but I tell

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you what it was a perfect marriage as

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far as talents and abilities with you

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and Halle Han dro and I want to thank

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you very much for starting out with you

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in those early days we did have a good

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time but I know we're talents really

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seemed to work together and you guys

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just gel perfectly gel that's a good

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word yes yeah so for the listener out

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there again who is new who hasn't heard

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you before I know a number of people as

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for you in the chat room that have heard

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you on a few times but can you kind of

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go into who you are and and your I know

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you had a sighting I think when you were

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nine years old or something you're very

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young I believe but anyway can you kind

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of go into all that stuff too for the

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new listener sure my you ufology found

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me I didn't find it I had my first

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experience in 1959 when I was a child

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probably about let's see I'm 61 years

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old my birthday's coming up on the 14th

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of September so I was a young guy out

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there at my uncle's cottage exploring

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while he was working on his new cottage

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and he had just

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dug a well that day they were out there

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digging the well and of course I had to

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find out how deep it was I'm dropping

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all sorts of stuff down there and he

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goes and he says get away from there

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don't go drop anything down so I go in

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the back and there was a canal that

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connects to a lake this would be in the

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Fox Lake area in McHenry Fox Lake area

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up north

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Nilla noi saw him out there and i'm

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pitching you know skipping rocks across

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the the canal over there or channel and

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all of a sudden there was this brilliant

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orb of light comes flying across my

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right shoulder goes over a fence and

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goes and back of a willow and shoots

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back up into the clouds and it became

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very strange because my body was really

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hot at that point it frightened the heck

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out of me and I was very warm and before

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I knew it time lapsed extremely quick my

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aunt was looking for me and it was dark

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out and she says where were you why were

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you hiding what were you doing back here

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why were you hiding from me I go I was

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here all this time and apparently

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something transpired because it scared

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the bejesus out of me I jumped into the

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car we went back home like we got out of

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the house got into the house I crawled

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right in bed and my mom goes and says

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aren't you gonna watch leave it mostly

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to beaver it was Dennis the Menace and I

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always watched watched and I go know if

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I don't want to watch it so that was an

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experience that I had and I had a few

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other experiences with entities a suit

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and thereafter and and that was

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something I didn't want to talk about

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for years so that was the first thing

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then my dad had an interest in this

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subject and he got interested in it one

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day by going to he was a music teacher

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so he was went to the house and was

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teaching piano to this one boy and his

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father who were amateur astronomers were

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outside there looking at some objects in

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the sky he gets to the door rings the

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doorbell the wife goes and says oh hurry

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up

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outside they're looking at some things

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in the sky he goes back there and they

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go yeah we just seen a bunch of UFOs my

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dad goes what are UFOs and then they go

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in the house and they gave him a book

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and before you know it that book and the

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magazine are sitting on the table the

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next morning and that was a little day

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no they gave me the adventure of a

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lifetime that's what really got me

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started and I gave my first presentation

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on the subject of UFOs I think in 1966

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or 67 and probably to every single class

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that I was in into high school I

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probably gave a presentation so it was a

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assumption a subject that that it just

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took me you know heart and soul I mean

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it just grabbed me and the scientific

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aspect is where I really am interested

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in heading and of course you know the

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mass sightings right yeah we're gonna

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talk about that now

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so what was it like you know I had I had

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a friend when uh you know we were like I

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don't know teen early teens and you know

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the subject came up one day and you know

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we both thought it was really cool and

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you know but I don't remember much else

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about that so when you were going

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through school and you did your

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presentation and a couple of times uh

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were you were you ridiculed at all or

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teased you know any any like classmates

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give you a hard time about that well I

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was so used to it because of the Knights

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little plump Italian boy so I was used

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to be good you know teased or ridiculed

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and sarcasm and all sorts of stuff that

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fell in line and to me it was just like

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water on a dock it didn't matter I had

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an interest but then there was enough

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people in the group anytime he gave a

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presentation it's his day it doesn't

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matter I really enjoy a serious

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confrontation of a meeting in the mines

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when it comes to this matter so I don't

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care about that but you know there's

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enough people in a group even as

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children that that warrant you know

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bringing this information out because

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they're just theirs they're just

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yearning for this information all right

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well let me let me just play this at you

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basically and that is some all right I

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just meet you you got off the stage

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talking about UFOs and I'm gonna say to

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you ah there's nothing to UFOs what can

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you possibly prove like proof yeah the

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thing is you know me and proof that's

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one word I don't really like because

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science doesn't really ask for proof

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alcohol and math does so but I can tell

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you about evidence and you know we have

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Ted Phillips with some 3,000 plus cases

543
00:25:07,210 --> 00:25:05,090
of physical trace evidence we have radar

544
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:07,220
data and pretty much anything that

545
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:10,640
science would use as far as any sort of

546
00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:14,330
sensorial type of instrumentation we've

547
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,480
established something is there and that

548
00:25:22,210 --> 00:25:19,039
is the most important thing from a

549
00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:22,220
scientific perspective is that science

550
00:25:28,330 --> 00:25:24,620
is best when it's out looking and

551
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:28,340
weighing the evidence on phenomena not

552
00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:31,130
cutting the same frog over and over

553
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:33,500
again we've done that we know what the

554
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:36,530
inside of certain things look like let's

555
00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:39,679
explore the phenomenons that are out

556
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:42,070
there and this is what science is about

557
00:25:49,299 --> 00:25:45,289
you know science is also especially when

558
00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:49,309
it comes to astronomy is observational

559
00:25:55,090 --> 00:25:52,520
for the most part you know I mean so you

560
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:55,100
know just going along those lines you

561
00:26:02,560 --> 00:25:57,890
know there's people totally convinced

562
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:02,570
there's dark matter and dark energy out

563
00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:06,890
there but there's no proof of that as

564
00:26:12,730 --> 00:26:09,380
well but I think it's kind of

565
00:26:16,299 --> 00:26:12,740
interesting that you know there's so

566
00:26:19,779 --> 00:26:16,309
many people that just think it's the UFO

567
00:26:22,930 --> 00:26:19,789
phenomena is as bogus no matter no

568
00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:22,940
matter what they hear or no matter who

569
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:26,929
has witnessed one true I mean how many

570
00:26:29,770 --> 00:26:28,730
times we hear in fact this morning I

571
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:29,780
don't know if you got my email

572
00:26:34,539 --> 00:26:31,730
two questions came in that I thought

573
00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:34,549
they are brilliant questions yeah I'll

574
00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:35,750
oppose those

575
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:37,190
why don't we just go into that right now

576
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:39,050
if you don't mind oh yeah yeah yeah hang

577
00:26:45,670 --> 00:26:42,170
on so by the way anyone any listening to

578
00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:45,680
the show you are welcome to send me an

579
00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:50,660
email at Martin at podcast UFO comm if

580
00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:52,190
you have any questions for the guests

581
00:26:57,970 --> 00:26:54,230
and a lot of times a question could be

582
00:26:59,920 --> 00:26:57,980
generic so if it's not geared to a guest

583
00:27:04,570 --> 00:26:59,930
it can be just geared to any guest and

584
00:27:06,850 --> 00:27:04,580
I'd be glad to ask so here is here is

585
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:06,860
one of the questions right here as most

586
00:27:13,210 --> 00:27:10,130
of the population carry carries

587
00:27:16,660 --> 00:27:13,220
smartphone technology and with the use

588
00:27:19,150 --> 00:27:16,670
of social media if a mass sighting

589
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:19,160
occurred in present-day do you think the

590
00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:20,990
government would still be able to use

591
00:27:26,260 --> 00:27:24,260
tactics to discredit any coverage of the

592
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:26,270
incident I'll ask that one in the second

593
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:29,570
question later well the thing here is as

594
00:27:34,210 --> 00:27:31,730
we know how many times we keep we keep

595
00:27:37,450 --> 00:27:34,220
hearing well we have these cell phones

596
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:37,460
out there and or is this evidence well

597
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:39,050
it doesn't matter how much evidence

598
00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:42,410
there is the bottom line is I can assure

599
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:46,430
you there is a program or programs in

600
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:50,030
place to basically circumvent obfuscate

601
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:53,210
to some degree or detract any value of

602
00:27:58,090 --> 00:27:55,910
it at any time and this has been thought

603
00:28:00,160 --> 00:27:58,100
out to the tenth degree and you could

604
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:00,170
read be rest assured of that so it

605
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:01,910
doesn't matter if they land on the White

606
00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:03,770
House lawn because what it's going to be

607
00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:05,750
is probably the first thing is that

608
00:28:11,380 --> 00:28:07,430
they're gonna say it's a beer commercial

609
00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:11,390
or some sort of terrorist act and then

610
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:12,440
before you know what they're bombing

611
00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:15,110
some country that has a resource that we

612
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:17,870
may need something will happen and I can

613
00:28:24,610 --> 00:28:21,650
assure you this is the type of programs

614
00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:24,620
that they have in place and they thought

615
00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:27,260
this out for years I'll give you a quick

616
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:30,020
example when Jim Marrs

617
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:33,350
was doing his research on the Aurora a

618
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:37,850
crash back in 1897 and by the way that

619
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:41,330
that crash was the absolute and all of

620
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:46,250
that that the great airship episode

621
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:49,620
during that period of time of 1898 90

622
00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:52,380
seven that was the last period the last

623
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,600
time it was actually published anything

624
00:28:59,900 --> 00:28:57,360
was published of the 1500 articles in

625
00:29:02,450 --> 00:28:59,910
newspapers around the United States and

626
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:02,460
I had asked him I says well what was the

627
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:05,400
most interesting thing that that when

628
00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:06,809
you were doing this research what was

629
00:29:11,860 --> 00:29:08,550
the most interesting thing that you

630
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:11,870
discovered he says Sam did you know that

631
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:14,490
there were people there within a

632
00:29:19,820 --> 00:29:17,010
relatively short period of time telling

633
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:19,830
people to go home picking up the pieces

634
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:23,850
of the the craft and putting carrying it

635
00:29:29,270 --> 00:29:27,690
away and I says you mean to tell me that

636
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:29,280
in a short period of time people from

637
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:31,050
outside the community were there which

638
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:33,690
obviously means a protocol was in place

639
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:39,809
in 1897 he says Sam yes and I go well

640
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,610
who on earth could that be and he goes

641
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:44,880
that's the question who is orchestrating

642
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:49,650
then so I mean we have these events that

643
00:29:56,660 --> 00:29:52,440
go on and some things that that go

644
00:29:59,660 --> 00:29:56,670
outside the scope of right now I'm doing

645
00:30:02,210 --> 00:29:59,670
some research for a for a presentation

646
00:30:05,030 --> 00:30:02,220
I'm gonna give on Fatima which was

647
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:05,040
October 13th in 1917 which was a mass

648
00:30:09,890 --> 00:30:07,320
sighting out of an unidentified aerial

649
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:09,900
phenomena of course which which which

650
00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:13,050
got scooped up into the religious realm

651
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:15,270
and there may be some component to that

652
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,179
I don't know but it depends on what your

653
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:20,640
definition is and from the new

654
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:23,150
revelations that came forth in the last

655
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:27,360
say 20 years there's there's been a lot

656
00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:29,220
of information that it wasn't revealed

657
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:32,750
and I think we have tons and tons of

658
00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:35,840
accounts like this where people have

659
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:40,590
scurried off evidence have told the

660
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:42,809
witnesses to shut up or nothing happen

661
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:45,000
or if they were a very active vocal and

662
00:30:51,770 --> 00:30:49,080
known basically tell them you know be

663
00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:51,780
quiet or just shut them up some way or

664
00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:52,460
another

665
00:31:00,050 --> 00:30:57,510
hmm Wow so can you go into that case a

666
00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:00,060
little bit more I'm just not familiar

667
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,150
with it

668
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:05,200
the effect on my case yes well it was

669
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:07,690
for a period of six months

670
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:10,940
on the 13th a month every month there

671
00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:14,840
was a appearance of this small being

672
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:18,830
approximately three feet tall and this

673
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:22,250
being appeared to be female the drawings

674
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:24,650
of which were that aren't actually

675
00:31:31,270 --> 00:31:28,310
archived and were are now available and

676
00:31:33,670 --> 00:31:31,280
and there are three very good books a

677
00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:33,680
number of researchers have been out

678
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:36,830
there looking at this and the funny

679
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:38,510
thing is it was all in Portuguese up

680
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:42,050
until I believe it was about 2006 or it

681
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:44,870
was translated and the fact that that's

682
00:31:48,790 --> 00:31:46,610
one person you know I would recommend

683
00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:48,800
having on your show is the person who

684
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,630
the translation and I'll get that

685
00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:52,640
information to you

686
00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:55,400
very interesting story I have a

687
00:31:59,890 --> 00:31:57,470
background in theology because I went to

688
00:32:03,730 --> 00:31:59,900
a seminary so I knew about the case and

689
00:32:06,370 --> 00:32:03,740
of course what was echoed is the the

690
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:06,380
religious correlation of this being the

691
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:09,010
sighting of these children seeing the

692
00:32:16,330 --> 00:32:13,610
the Blessed Virgin and this happened in

693
00:32:20,110 --> 00:32:16,340
Portugal and course during First World

694
00:32:22,780 --> 00:32:20,120
War the background as far as the social

695
00:32:25,270 --> 00:32:22,790
environment was being torn apart by

696
00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:25,280
social and rest there was the socialist

697
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:28,070
the fascist parties each of them having

698
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:31,160
their own directives the women in the

699
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:34,310
community were very strictly governed as

700
00:32:38,770 --> 00:32:36,530
far as what they can do and cannot do it

701
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:38,780
was very strict they couldn't read they

702
00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:43,610
couldn't go to school and it the social

703
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:45,920
structure was was very rigid and hard

704
00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:51,280
and the German invasions into the

705
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:54,470
colonies in Africa were taking place so

706
00:32:57,730 --> 00:32:55,970
they were there was spending money

707
00:33:00,790 --> 00:32:57,740
overseas the government was having

708
00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:00,800
problems and of course the with the rise

709
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,190
of communism we had that taking place

710
00:33:11,650 --> 00:33:06,320
and of course the church was very

711
00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:11,660
concerned about losing the volumes of of

712
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:15,080
course their converts

713
00:33:21,820 --> 00:33:18,110
in the Eastern Europe and with the

714
00:33:24,340 --> 00:33:21,830
advent of communism and atheism the

715
00:33:27,159 --> 00:33:24,350
there was major concern so this happened

716
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:27,169
at the right time to be scooped up and

717
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:31,519
used if not genuinely at least it fell

718
00:33:38,919 --> 00:33:34,610
in to a good political position either

719
00:33:41,379 --> 00:33:38,929
way what these children saw mainly the

720
00:33:46,869 --> 00:33:41,389
big sighting the mass sighting took

721
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:46,879
place on October the 13th of 2017 so

722
00:33:53,049 --> 00:33:50,450
next year it will be 100 years and there

723
00:33:55,989 --> 00:33:53,059
were approximately 60 to 70 thousand

724
00:33:59,919 --> 00:33:55,999
people out there at approximately 1:30

725
00:34:02,859 --> 00:33:59,929
there was a beam of light coming beaming

726
00:34:07,409 --> 00:34:02,869
down from the object that appeared to be

727
00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:07,419
pearlescent silver pearlescent and

728
00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:12,040
within the scope of that very small beam

729
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:16,190
there was this image of this woman or

730
00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:19,929
his female type image and the

731
00:34:29,409 --> 00:34:23,240
characteristics were a short skirt type

732
00:34:32,379 --> 00:34:29,419
thing and some draped something tripped

733
00:34:32,919 --> 00:34:32,389
over the arms and holding an orb in its

734
00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:32,929
hand

735
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,980
and no nothing was actually spoken but

736
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:38,960
talked you know basically a telepathic

737
00:34:44,289 --> 00:34:41,990
scenario and during this time there was

738
00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:44,299
buzzing and a head like insects they

739
00:34:50,139 --> 00:34:47,629
were hearing insects like buzzing around

740
00:34:52,809 --> 00:34:50,149
them which is commonplace to a lot of

741
00:34:56,099 --> 00:34:52,819
close encounter type scenarios with

742
00:35:00,849 --> 00:34:56,109
crafts I had another case in Malibu that

743
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:00,859
was very similar to that and the thing

744
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:03,170
is there were people out there standing

745
00:35:08,049 --> 00:35:05,450
in the rain you know we're talking tens

746
00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:08,059
of thousands of people and in any

747
00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:11,030
instance this object comes down which

748
00:35:17,319 --> 00:35:12,920
they thought was the Sun and is referred

749
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,329
to as the the miracle of the Sun in fact

750
00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:20,720
this is a very huge thing for Portugal

751
00:35:26,170 --> 00:35:22,750
it is probably one of the biggest

752
00:35:28,329 --> 00:35:26,180
tourist attractions of religious tourist

753
00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:28,339
attractions and I sure would love to go

754
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:28,700
there one

755
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:31,430
these days and people had experienced

756
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:33,849
miracles won this event took place

757
00:35:40,569 --> 00:35:36,920
within the scope of approximately 200

758
00:35:44,050 --> 00:35:40,579
meters they they were miraculously

759
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:44,060
healed from various diseases etc that

760
00:35:50,109 --> 00:35:47,650
this disc object came down and became

761
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:50,119
translucent and they were able to see

762
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:52,790
three beings actually inside of it and

763
00:35:58,329 --> 00:35:55,369
the object actually feared off over the

764
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:58,339
Kover the crowd there's a photo of it

765
00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:01,599
you could see on the internet and

766
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:04,460
there's not a real not a real photo of

767
00:36:10,329 --> 00:36:07,130
it is there oh yes there was in nineteen

768
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:10,339
seventeen nineteen seventeen huh yeah

769
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:15,440
yeah the real photo and the when this

770
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:17,210
took place there was a tremendous amount

771
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:21,010
of heat they there was the there was a

772
00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:24,730
discoloration of everybody in the crowd

773
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:28,220
it was it was very bizarre on and on and

774
00:36:32,980 --> 00:36:31,369
on and the the clothes that they were

775
00:36:35,530 --> 00:36:32,990
they were wearing were soaked and

776
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:35,540
immediately dried the mud in that area

777
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:40,310
turned to tried soil I mean it was just

778
00:36:46,690 --> 00:36:44,240
a strange miraculous event that was very

779
00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:46,700
commonplace or approximately fifteen

780
00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:50,630
correlations to encounters that we would

781
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:52,520
have today or in the past you know

782
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:54,920
throughout history that fall in line

783
00:37:00,940 --> 00:36:57,650
with these unidentified aerial phenomena

784
00:37:02,980 --> 00:37:00,950
call it whatever you want be it from

785
00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:02,990
wherever they come from it doesn't

786
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:06,140
matter this is pretty much the same type

787
00:37:12,609 --> 00:37:10,400
of phenomenon why remind me why there

788
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:12,619
were so many people that saw this

789
00:37:17,980 --> 00:37:15,650
because it was six months I think it

790
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:17,990
started in I know March I believe was

791
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:20,810
the first month March I believe was the

792
00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:25,310
first month and this apparition had told

793
00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:29,560
them there was a three children and

794
00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:35,329
Lucinda Francesco and the other niece

795
00:37:42,279 --> 00:37:40,190
the other cousin excuse me and they they

796
00:37:45,009 --> 00:37:42,289
were they were told that you know

797
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:45,019
to come there each and every month and

798
00:37:52,359 --> 00:37:48,410
the 13th approximately noon well on the

799
00:37:54,309 --> 00:37:52,369
13th of October was the big event where

800
00:37:56,669 --> 00:37:54,319
he had all these people and they had

801
00:37:59,259 --> 00:37:56,679
heard about this the funny thing was

802
00:38:01,150 --> 00:37:59,269
this a little apparition and these type

803
00:38:03,579 --> 00:38:01,160
of events had gone on in this area

804
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:03,589
before and throughout history it wasn't

805
00:38:09,969 --> 00:38:06,890
something on you know unknown it was

806
00:38:12,579 --> 00:38:09,979
known throughout certain pockets of the

807
00:38:17,259 --> 00:38:12,589
community and especially the more rural

808
00:38:20,650 --> 00:38:17,269
areas and but this really took you know

809
00:38:23,859 --> 00:38:20,660
it really caught on and the people were

810
00:38:28,359 --> 00:38:23,869
showing up there were cures miraculous

811
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:28,369
events so boy it is just one heck of an

812
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:31,249
interesting case and of course it's a

813
00:38:36,489 --> 00:38:34,609
mass sighting of something unusual now

814
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:36,499
whether you drink that did they used to

815
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:39,049
have a movie about that not exactly like

816
00:38:44,979 --> 00:38:42,650
it sure you definitely was a movie in

817
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:44,989
and that movie was all geared towards

818
00:38:52,359 --> 00:38:49,849
the a religious pas I saw that when I

819
00:38:55,299 --> 00:38:52,369
was a kid yeah yeah back in the 50s

820
00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:55,309
remember I think was 1952 they came out

821
00:39:00,459 --> 00:38:57,679
with it well I saw it I saw it when I

822
00:39:03,789 --> 00:39:00,469
was you know like sometime in the 60s or

823
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:03,799
early 70s something like that yes and I

824
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:06,529
remembered it was more about like you

825
00:39:11,799 --> 00:39:09,049
said the religious part of it like Mary

826
00:39:14,469 --> 00:39:11,809
I believe was supposed to have shown up

827
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,479
or something correct yeah and and boy

828
00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:16,400
those kids and the photographs if you

829
00:39:19,749 --> 00:39:18,199
take a picture if you take a look at

830
00:39:21,909 --> 00:39:19,759
those photographs look at the

831
00:39:23,769 --> 00:39:21,919
expressions on the two girls the one

832
00:39:26,469 --> 00:39:23,779
little girl has her hand on the side and

833
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,479
she they both have their eyes they're

834
00:39:30,999 --> 00:39:29,359
looking they were not happy because

835
00:39:35,529 --> 00:39:31,009
people were saying oh you're a liar

836
00:39:37,809 --> 00:39:35,539
doing this they were they were given the

837
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:37,819
third degree they were interrogated this

838
00:39:45,899 --> 00:39:40,729
was a serious event this was taken very

839
00:39:48,729 --> 00:39:45,909
seriously and because you know it had

840
00:39:51,219 --> 00:39:48,739
various implications especially the

841
00:39:55,780 --> 00:39:51,229
religious overtones and this whole this

842
00:40:00,210 --> 00:39:55,790
big social divide in the community in

843
00:40:04,270 --> 00:40:00,220
and this riff so it was a very

844
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:04,280
significant event and the other thing

845
00:40:13,870 --> 00:40:08,330
was there were messages given to the

846
00:40:17,470 --> 00:40:13,880
eldest of the group and three messages

847
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:17,480
and that had religious overtones to or

848
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:19,130
could have been interpreted into

849
00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:21,890
religious overtones the third of which

850
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:25,300
was never revealed huh how about that

851
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:29,890
yep Wow and is there a lot of

852
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,400
documentation tons and I think you said

853
00:40:40,210 --> 00:40:37,040
there were 1500 articles so choose oh

854
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:40,220
it's that was the great airship so oh

855
00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:42,470
sorry I confused it too yeah so but at

856
00:40:49,330 --> 00:40:45,320
the time was um that was this worldwide

857
00:40:53,110 --> 00:40:49,340
press yes it was documented throughout

858
00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:53,120
the world it was well it became very

859
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:55,460
popular soon thereafter the war was of

860
00:41:02,380 --> 00:40:58,610
course front and center and but what had

861
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:02,390
happened is 19 I think was 1978 they had

862
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:08,180
a a ban on secrecy and censorship so

863
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:10,010
what they were doing is opening the

864
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:14,330
archives of on all past information and

865
00:41:20,050 --> 00:41:17,110
the one individual who was Portuguese

866
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:20,060
researcher and historian was doing

867
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:23,090
research on of all things women's rights

868
00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:28,010
and and within that time period as far

869
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:30,020
as getting a profile of of what they

870
00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:32,500
went through during that time period and

871
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:36,260
went through this case because there

872
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:38,330
were so many women involved a course two

873
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:40,730
of the three witnesses were two female

874
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:45,730
girls and one of the things portrayed or

875
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,650
this being portrayed to them was that

876
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:50,480
they were to get knowledge and they were

877
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,450
to read and they were to learn and that

878
00:41:59,290 --> 00:41:56,560
was against the principles of that time

879
00:42:02,740 --> 00:41:59,300
you know for this these Beck community

880
00:42:05,050 --> 00:42:02,750
they kept the women away from knowledge

881
00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:05,060
and treated them you know like

882
00:42:09,580 --> 00:42:08,780
second-class citizens so that's how she

883
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:09,590
was able to

884
00:42:14,410 --> 00:42:12,410
actually get into this information and

885
00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:14,420
everything else that came out of it was

886
00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:17,870
a revelation that she had no no idea

887
00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:21,020
about and so many people had no idea

888
00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:23,000
about and and many people actually

889
00:42:27,490 --> 00:42:26,150
within within the religious orders

890
00:42:30,820 --> 00:42:27,500
didn't even know about all this

891
00:42:34,210 --> 00:42:30,830
information it was there but nobody went

892
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:34,220
into it and read the details Wow Wow

893
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:36,410
so by the way if you're listening live

894
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:39,650
and you want to pose a question for our

895
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:43,250
guest this evening Sam moranto all you

896
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:45,500
have to do is go to the chat room and

897
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:49,480
that's on podcast UFO comm it's also on

898
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:52,370
PSN radio has the one as well if you're

899
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:55,250
listening over there and I will pick up

900
00:43:00,940 --> 00:42:57,110
a message either on either a chat and

901
00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:00,950
also you are welcome to call in anyone

902
00:43:05,950 --> 00:43:02,830
is welcome to call them during the show

903
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:05,960
and that number is six zero three nine

904
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:09,680
six seven four oh three oh if you miss

905
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:11,510
that number it's right on our website

906
00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:14,570
podcast UFO calm during the show you'll

907
00:43:19,870 --> 00:43:18,740
see it so Sam you're into mass sightings

908
00:43:21,580 --> 00:43:19,880
I'm going to ask you this other question

909
00:43:24,010 --> 00:43:21,590
here in just a minute but you're into

910
00:43:27,130 --> 00:43:24,020
mass sightings and the obvious of why

911
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:27,140
mass sightings are so important is the

912
00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:29,480
fact that there are so many witnesses

913
00:43:38,890 --> 00:43:35,000
what other some other what besides the

914
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:38,900
multiple witnesses what do you think is

915
00:43:41,950 --> 00:43:40,430
so important about mass sightings

916
00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:41,960
because I know you like to focus on

917
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:44,300
those well the thing and you mentioned

918
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:47,090
before observation in science the number

919
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:53,920
one sense since oral or century sensory

920
00:44:01,570 --> 00:43:57,920
component to science is observation

921
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:01,580
first and last always it it's very

922
00:44:08,110 --> 00:44:05,240
important observation is key and yet and

923
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:08,120
this is what I find to be so hysterical

924
00:44:15,070 --> 00:44:11,480
astronomers base the volumes of what

925
00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:15,080
they do especially in the past purely

926
00:44:21,850 --> 00:44:18,920
almost on observation and observation is

927
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:21,860
key for them but yet for our scope of

928
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:23,450
research it's

929
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,930
you know it's nonsense and and

930
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:29,599
understandably within reason that it you

931
00:44:33,609 --> 00:44:31,369
know I could see where they think it

932
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:33,619
scoff at certain things but the bottom

933
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:36,410
line is observation is key and when you

934
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,740
have a a large section represented you

935
00:44:49,299 --> 00:44:45,280
know in a fashion that isn't planned

936
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:49,309
it's just a spontaneous scenario of of

937
00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:51,770
people but with a cross-section of the

938
00:45:01,260 --> 00:44:55,540
demographic of your community giving a

939
00:45:05,950 --> 00:45:04,030
interpretations as far as what they saw

940
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,960
and that's really all you want we when

941
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,240
you're investigating what did you see

942
00:45:14,289 --> 00:45:11,119
give me detail I don't want you to tell

943
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:14,299
me what you think it is where it came

944
00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:17,569
from its implications anything other

945
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:20,630
than give me the details give me the

946
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:24,920
size colors shapes distance motion those

947
00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:29,030
things that are relative to the very

948
00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:32,390
first components of an observation to

949
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:35,540
let us know first of all it was there it

950
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:37,490
was an imaginary now when you have

951
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:40,760
multiple witnesses you have credence now

952
00:45:46,109 --> 00:45:44,210
you have things like Tinley Park Phoenix

953
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:46,119
where you have video footage

954
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:48,650
photographic footage and in some

955
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:50,890
instances even physical trace evidence

956
00:45:56,799 --> 00:45:54,079
here you have this unidentified aerial

957
00:46:00,579 --> 00:45:56,809
phenomena take place over 30-some

958
00:46:02,890 --> 00:46:00,589
thousand people in 1917 where we only

959
00:46:04,930 --> 00:46:02,900
had by wing airplanes nothing more

960
00:46:07,569 --> 00:46:04,940
sophisticated than that wasn't a drone

961
00:46:10,030 --> 00:46:07,579
wasn't this that or the other it wasn't

962
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,040
a celestial event we know that and

963
00:46:15,579 --> 00:46:13,040
there's a photograph they experienced it

964
00:46:17,950 --> 00:46:15,589
and there was physical trace evidence it

965
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:17,960
had all the markings of everything

966
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:21,130
necessary to really make a solid case

967
00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:25,609
now unfortunately not every case works

968
00:46:31,150 --> 00:46:27,950
out that way let's take for instance a

969
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:31,160
veljohnson case with the police officer

970
00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:35,119
in 1979 driving along I ended up in his

971
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:37,880
car could said well

972
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:41,280
had no other witnesses than himself and

973
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:43,050
the other witness to it can only be

974
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:45,420
relative to physical trace evidence that

975
00:46:51,860 --> 00:46:49,110
was it and of course the condition that

976
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:51,870
he was in when the other police officer

977
00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:55,410
responded to him but other than that he

978
00:47:00,280 --> 00:46:57,900
had the physical trace evidence speaking

979
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:00,290
for him so when the evidence speaks

980
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:03,510
physical trace evidence in a scenario

981
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:05,310
like that could say a lot especially

982
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:07,740
when it's been tested as much as his

983
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,020
case right and that car is still intact

984
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:12,720
to the way the way it was in 79 right

985
00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:17,850
yes in fact one of my investigators just

986
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:19,230
came back in fact he's the chief

987
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:23,520
investigator for the Michigan State and

988
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:25,110
he is our triage director here at

989
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:28,650
Illinois and dance know he went up there

990
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:31,740
and took pictures of it and he went to

991
00:47:37,610 --> 00:47:35,280
the very site that Belle was at and took

992
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:37,620
and analyzed the side to a bunch of

993
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:40,170
photographs and really took really he's

994
00:47:45,110 --> 00:47:43,260
very good at analyzing that now I had

995
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:45,120
the privilege of actually meeting and

996
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:49,890
interviewing Val back in 2005 and I have

997
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:53,460
his is his interview on tape I don't

998
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:55,890
know if anybody has any on tapes you

999
00:48:02,660 --> 00:47:59,220
know since the original first couple

1000
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:02,670
years he kind of went low-key and didn't

1001
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:05,220
want to be bothered by this anymore but

1002
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:07,410
you know here's a case that it would

1003
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,570
have been all that much more better if

1004
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:11,760
he had at least another couple witnesses

1005
00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:14,460
or another witness to at least say no

1006
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:18,150
this man isn't making this up this light

1007
00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:22,380
came at him it hit the car and what he

1008
00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:24,260
thinks may very well some of this energy

1009
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:26,790
actually went through the car as you

1010
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:29,760
remember the windshield was displaced

1011
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:34,710
both split out and in and even though it

1012
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:38,070
is reproducible in a laboratory you can

1013
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:39,750
reproduce it you cannot do it

1014
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:40,650
simultaneously

1015
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:44,280
so there's volumes of scientific data

1016
00:48:50,779 --> 00:48:48,720
there and but but yet the value of

1017
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:50,789
another observation

1018
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:52,890
is is really key it would have been

1019
00:48:57,409 --> 00:48:55,140
right they would have solved so much of

1020
00:48:59,719 --> 00:48:57,419
the dilemma this man went through the

1021
00:49:01,939 --> 00:48:59,729
allegations my fill class that this was

1022
00:49:04,909 --> 00:49:01,949
some sort of prank in other words

1023
00:49:08,929 --> 00:49:04,919
getting back to the observation to have

1024
00:49:11,689 --> 00:49:08,939
another body to add credence especially

1025
00:49:14,509 --> 00:49:11,699
an independent one is great if you have

1026
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:14,519
multiple that's that much better then if

1027
00:49:19,789 --> 00:49:16,169
you have a mass sighting and to me a

1028
00:49:23,499 --> 00:49:19,799
hundred people or more my god and here

1029
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,509
you had multiple communities coming out

1030
00:49:28,789 --> 00:49:26,640
30,000 60,000 people Wow

1031
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:28,799
chin Lee Park the Tinley Park sighting

1032
00:49:35,299 --> 00:49:31,380
we had thousands of witnesses I mean it

1033
00:49:40,789 --> 00:49:35,309
wasn't a small event so mm-hmm I think

1034
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:40,799
this is is the value observation right

1035
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:42,689
it all starts there now you could take a

1036
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:44,819
picture and people show me pictures

1037
00:49:48,949 --> 00:49:46,410
we'll look I'm going through these

1038
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:48,959
photos and look what I see well that

1039
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:50,569
doesn't mean anything it's interpretive

1040
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:53,369
nobody there seen whatever is there we

1041
00:49:58,519 --> 00:49:54,359
don't know what that is it could be a

1042
00:50:01,009 --> 00:49:58,529
dust particle or whatever so right well

1043
00:50:08,049 --> 00:50:01,019
they kind of look back to the last

1044
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:08,059
question that the gentleman posed to you

1045
00:50:15,229 --> 00:50:12,089
most people do have at least in the

1046
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:15,239
states and parts of Europe and different

1047
00:50:20,359 --> 00:50:17,130
areas in the world most people do have a

1048
00:50:24,620 --> 00:50:20,369
smartphone with a camera and a video

1049
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:24,630
player in their pocket and the argument

1050
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:28,529
you often hear like when I had the last

1051
00:50:35,689 --> 00:50:33,359
time I had seth shostack on or the first

1052
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,699
time I should say he mentioned that he

1053
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:37,859
said you know everyone has video cameras

1054
00:50:46,699 --> 00:50:42,329
why don't we have a good video of a UFO

1055
00:50:49,339 --> 00:50:46,709
and I just wanted to hear what you well

1056
00:50:51,799 --> 00:50:49,349
as and funny thing about it is the

1057
00:50:55,429 --> 00:50:51,809
really good stuff is faked and see a guy

1058
00:50:57,739 --> 00:50:55,439
and CGI with the advent of CGI that just

1059
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:57,749
created all that much more dilemmas when

1060
00:51:01,819 --> 00:51:00,059
it comes to analyzing video in fact

1061
00:51:03,259 --> 00:51:01,829
there's some people say well I won't

1062
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,269
even look at a video because it's

1063
00:51:07,460 --> 00:51:04,800
probably CGI

1064
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:07,470
there are certain attributes to the

1065
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:10,610
genuine phenomena that will display

1066
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:15,930
itself in video in any sort of digital

1067
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:20,060
format that is almost telltale something

1068
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:24,660
unusual and you know we hear this you

1069
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:28,410
know fuzzy photos don't have any value

1070
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:30,990
well each and every day fuzzy photos

1071
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:32,790
save lights lifes and they're called

1072
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:37,890
x-rays and there is attributes you know

1073
00:51:42,830 --> 00:51:40,530
when it comes to that energy those

1074
00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:42,840
energy fields how they affect photons

1075
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:45,980
and how they affect the camera

1076
00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:49,020
renderings so the thing is there are

1077
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:52,190
other components there and unfortunately

1078
00:52:00,320 --> 00:51:56,250
we are so trained to look at real high

1079
00:52:04,210 --> 00:52:00,330
you know really clean images and the

1080
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:04,220
more exotic it is the more titillating

1081
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:07,260
that is what we are drawn to that's

1082
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:09,330
because we have such short attention

1083
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:13,290
spans we sure do and you know I can

1084
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:16,050
recall a sighting back on that was June

1085
00:52:22,990 --> 00:52:19,290
20th 2004 right before all this stuff

1086
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,000
happened in Tinley Park it was down in

1087
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:26,400
Wilmington Illinois three kids were

1088
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:31,380
standing out and seen a disc over a

1089
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,010
field rotating in fact the rotation of

1090
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:37,680
it they said it looked like a quarter on

1091
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:40,050
edge if you were to hit it and watch it

1092
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:44,520
spin exactly like that and it was over

1093
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:46,260
some tree line they were watching it and

1094
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:48,210
the one the eldest brother comes along

1095
00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:49,890
he had gone to the store to pick up some

1096
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,350
Pepsi the four of them are out there

1097
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:54,720
watching this thing for a few minutes

1098
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:56,760
and instead of observing until it

1099
00:53:05,000 --> 00:52:59,490
finally left they went back to playing

1100
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:05,010
video games uh now you'd say well that's

1101
00:53:09,050 --> 00:53:06,900
the way children are no that's the way

1102
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:09,060
most people are now mind you the Gimli

1103
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:11,370
Park sightings these objects were

1104
00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:13,380
sitting out there for some length of

1105
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:15,620
time and yet when you look the average

1106
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:18,430
observation is approximately 50

1107
00:53:23,069 --> 00:53:20,950
minutes that's because people get bored

1108
00:53:25,230 --> 00:53:23,079
I may go back to doing whatever they're

1109
00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:25,240
doing that's the average but not

1110
00:53:29,819 --> 00:53:26,020
everybody

1111
00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:29,829
I remember one gentleman in 2003 saw

1112
00:53:34,589 --> 00:53:32,950
this huge triangular craft fly over

1113
00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:34,599
while he went to the porch they were

1114
00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:36,190
cleaning the basement he's standing

1115
00:53:42,270 --> 00:53:38,740
there looking at it his jaw dropping

1116
00:53:44,579 --> 00:53:42,280
saying what on earth would something who

1117
00:53:46,589 --> 00:53:44,589
would need something that huge and he's

1118
00:53:49,650 --> 00:53:46,599
watching this thing traverse across the

1119
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,660
sky and his wife calls him and says hey

1120
00:53:52,829 --> 00:53:51,040
get down here we got to clean the

1121
00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:52,839
basement and you know what he does he

1122
00:53:56,849 --> 00:53:54,550
leaves go down there cleans the basement

1123
00:53:59,849 --> 00:53:56,859
he says I could have kicked myself in a

1124
00:54:03,890 --> 00:53:59,859
butt for that but this is what people do

1125
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:03,900
we were so regimented so trained and

1126
00:54:08,730 --> 00:54:06,880
conditioned that we forfeit it's the

1127
00:54:11,819 --> 00:54:08,740
good common sense to just make the

1128
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:11,829
observation sit there observe it and

1129
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:14,800
when you're observing try to get as much

1130
00:54:19,799 --> 00:54:17,710
detail as possible don't think

1131
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:19,809
outlandish thinks of where it came from

1132
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:22,960
or just get the detail watch the

1133
00:54:29,309 --> 00:54:26,890
characteristics get as much detail I

1134
00:54:31,799 --> 00:54:29,319
could give as far as distance height

1135
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:31,809
whatever because this stuff is crucial

1136
00:54:36,329 --> 00:54:34,480
and that's really what all that matters

1137
00:54:40,099 --> 00:54:36,339
when it comes to a case is compile the

1138
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:40,109
data yeah going back to the Fatima

1139
00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:44,140
sighting anybody can maybe I'll try to

1140
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,640
put something up in the show notes but

1141
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:47,440
if anyone wanted to see the pictures of

1142
00:54:54,089 --> 00:54:51,569
that all you have to do is Google 1917

1143
00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:54,099
Fatima it's spelled just the way it

1144
00:55:02,970 --> 00:54:58,930
sounds FA T ima sighting or aberration

1145
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:02,980
or or the Sun what did you call it

1146
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:05,170
miracle miracle of the Sun yeah and

1147
00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:10,890
you'll see the pictures there and so I

1148
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:13,180
understand in a way what you're talking

1149
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:13,559
about

1150
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:17,410
it does baffle me though we have someone

1151
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:19,480
recently on the show that basically said

1152
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:21,730
her mother went to sleep when everyone

1153
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:26,770
else was watching this UFO so I I do get

1154
00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:28,390
that everyone's attention span

1155
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:31,900
especially today is so short and it kind

1156
00:55:34,410 --> 00:55:32,710
of leads

1157
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:34,420
into this question you sort of answered

1158
00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:37,089
it already this is also from the same

1159
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:39,700
email and do you think that people are

1160
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:42,640
getting blase to the potential genuine

1161
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:45,130
video evidence as is so much CGI fake

1162
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:49,330
videos out there and what you know we

1163
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:52,500
sort of answered that already but I also

1164
00:55:59,550 --> 00:55:56,650
do want to say that how much of a big

1165
00:56:04,260 --> 00:55:59,560
deal would most people think it would be

1166
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,270
if if there was a mass sighting and do

1167
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:05,680
you think it would just kind of vanish

1168
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:08,230
away in the in the media like it

1169
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:11,710
generally does yes I'm just thinking

1170
00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:13,930
what they did here in Tinley Park

1171
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:15,700
I mean think of Tinley Park or think of

1172
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:17,530
the O'Hare sighting was a mass sighting

1173
00:56:24,450 --> 00:56:21,670
and in these they lived in the media for

1174
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:24,460
X period of time and sometimes they get

1175
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:26,410
celebrated you know like for instance

1176
00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:29,050
the Tinley Park case was celebrated last

1177
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:31,300
year by some there's some cheesy stuff

1178
00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:33,730
you know some basically some fluff in

1179
00:56:38,490 --> 00:56:35,980
the media but nothing beyond that

1180
00:56:40,589 --> 00:56:38,500
serious you know nothing of a serious

1181
00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:40,599
tone or say no this really did happen

1182
00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:43,750
and you know they always thrown the

1183
00:56:47,370 --> 00:56:45,640
extra-terrestrial hypotheses and and

1184
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:47,380
they have to make fun of that and

1185
00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:51,490
anything else you know it doesn't matter

1186
00:56:58,589 --> 00:56:53,950
the bottom line is they're always going

1187
00:57:00,810 --> 00:56:58,599
to try to shuffle it away and strangely

1188
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:00,820
enough that ridicule factor that we

1189
00:57:06,089 --> 00:57:03,369
always have that giggle factor even on

1190
00:57:08,810 --> 00:57:06,099
we get cases you know 90 some percent of

1191
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,820
the cases we get in are just are just

1192
00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:10,000
explainable

1193
00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:13,270
just by reading it in cross reference at

1194
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,820
celestial objects misidentifications etc

1195
00:57:19,170 --> 00:57:18,160
but we need every once in a while when

1196
00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:19,180
you get something a little more

1197
00:57:23,820 --> 00:57:21,160
elaborate the first thing comes to mind

1198
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:23,830
how they're crazy maybe they're not get

1199
00:57:32,339 --> 00:57:27,970
the information but the added feature of

1200
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:32,349
a video today is is so important get a

1201
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:35,920
picture get a picture the other thing is

1202
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,310
multiple pictures heck it's a phone call

1203
00:57:43,470 --> 00:57:41,680
somebody get somebody out on the porch

1204
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:43,480
or wherever they're at get another

1205
00:57:48,539 --> 00:57:46,390
perspective we can do triangulations

1206
00:57:50,759 --> 00:57:48,549
triangulation we could tell the size and

1207
00:57:53,539 --> 00:57:50,769
everything else do you have the

1208
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:53,549
technology there you have it there I

1209
00:58:05,039 --> 00:57:57,720
that can't be dismissed its science so

1210
00:58:06,779 --> 00:58:05,049
right I also think that I I have talked

1211
00:58:10,140 --> 00:58:06,789
to you before about the sighting I had

1212
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:10,150
and how the thought of taking a picture

1213
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:14,079
never even crossed my mind and and I I I

1214
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:16,630
didn't have I didn't actually that was

1215
00:58:21,569 --> 00:58:20,140
in 2006 I it wasn't like a smartphone I

1216
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:21,579
think I had a flip phone and would have

1217
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:24,690
taken a terrible picture but still I

1218
00:58:30,690 --> 00:58:27,130
think a lot of times when someone has a

1219
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:30,700
sees has a sighting I know that right

1220
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,490
now I would grab my camera if I have I

1221
00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:36,160
saw something but I don't know if it was

1222
00:58:38,849 --> 00:58:37,660
the first time I saw something if I

1223
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:38,859
would even think of that because you're

1224
00:58:46,349 --> 00:58:42,329
in the moment and you're mesmerized and

1225
00:58:48,210 --> 00:58:46,359
and it's tough but but there are enough

1226
00:58:52,650 --> 00:58:48,220
people that think to take a picture out

1227
00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:52,660
there that the reason there's so much

1228
00:58:59,579 --> 00:58:56,230
going on that's pictured is because

1229
00:59:01,259 --> 00:58:59,589
people now know how to all they have to

1230
00:59:06,359 --> 00:59:01,269
do is look on the internet and they can

1231
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,369
see the different sites to report and so

1232
00:59:12,509 --> 00:59:09,359
always interesting

1233
00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:12,519
so you mentioned just a second ago about

1234
00:59:17,970 --> 00:59:15,700
the O'Hare incident did you have I know

1235
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:17,980
you're in that area you're not too far

1236
00:59:22,650 --> 00:59:20,200
away from O'Hare probably an hour drive

1237
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:22,660
maybe something like that right about an

1238
00:59:26,609 --> 00:59:22,960
hour

1239
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:26,619
yeah now did you have any any interest

1240
00:59:30,930 --> 00:59:28,329
when that was going on did you have any

1241
00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:30,940
investigative work that you did on that

1242
00:59:37,049 --> 00:59:34,390
yourself yes I worked under what would

1243
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:37,059
happen is the you know first of all like

1244
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:39,609
like the origin of cases like where the

1245
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,210
case like the the it was a new for case

1246
00:59:48,769 --> 00:59:46,720
that came in Peter Davenport had the

1247
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:48,779
case they were called in to him and

1248
00:59:55,859 --> 00:59:52,690
Peter Davenport that was also the same

1249
00:59:58,589 --> 00:59:55,869
scenario with the Tinley Park case he

1250
01:00:00,180 --> 00:59:58,599
said I come to MUFON it to CMS and went

1251
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:00,190
to Peter Davenport

1252
01:00:05,490 --> 01:00:01,570
even though it was right in my backyard

1253
01:00:07,050 --> 01:00:05,500
it's amazing but then they contacted you

1254
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:07,060
know we got contacted here I was

1255
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,250
contacted and but to work on it the

1256
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:11,440
O'Hare case I didn't find out about it

1257
01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:15,180
until Marc Ron eager called me up and

1258
01:00:21,540 --> 01:00:18,790
he's mark and I are talking because the

1259
01:00:25,860 --> 01:00:21,550
very day that had happened I'm on the

1260
01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:25,870
phone with Dave Marlar and who was the

1261
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:27,700
you know the state director at the time

1262
01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:30,310
and he was in the process of handing it

1263
01:00:35,790 --> 01:00:32,950
over to me and we were going to get

1264
01:00:38,580 --> 01:00:35,800
together on the weekend so we were

1265
01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:38,590
making the arrangements and just

1266
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:41,020
basically talking and Peter Davenport

1267
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:43,150
gave him a call he goes oh I got to get

1268
01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:44,890
off the phone right away it's Peter you

1269
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:47,230
know and sure enough that was what was

1270
01:00:50,970 --> 01:00:49,090
going on and he was explaining to him

1271
01:00:54,510 --> 01:00:50,980
that there is this case going on and

1272
01:00:57,260 --> 01:00:54,520
that you know Richard Haines dr. Haines

1273
01:01:01,470 --> 01:00:57,270
is going to be the point man on that at

1274
01:01:06,330 --> 01:01:01,480
you know NICAP National Aviation

1275
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,340
Reporting Center and Arquette so for

1276
01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:09,040
your phenomena so he was the point man

1277
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:11,500
on it and there were different people

1278
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:13,740
with X you know different disciplines

1279
01:01:18,330 --> 01:01:15,910
assigned different tasks and he did a

1280
01:01:20,550 --> 01:01:18,340
great job putting it together I was out

1281
01:01:24,510 --> 01:01:20,560
there I had a couple people that I

1282
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:24,520
interviewed one person in in called che

1283
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:26,050
age and if you get a chance to look at

1284
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:28,290
the hundred and twenty some page

1285
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:33,490
technical report at nark F dot or if you

1286
01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:35,110
could see it I think it's number ten and

1287
01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:37,960
you could actually read through it or

1288
01:01:46,890 --> 01:01:41,260
download the details and my interview

1289
01:01:49,770 --> 01:01:46,900
was with this JH was a she was a retired

1290
01:01:55,290 --> 01:01:49,780
teacher and she came to East Coast she

1291
01:01:59,130 --> 01:01:55,300
had a background as being a a reporter

1292
01:02:01,980 --> 01:01:59,140
she was a military brat and her father

1293
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:01,990
was a commander of a helicopter Air Wing

1294
01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:05,220
in the Navy knew all the technical terms

1295
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:07,840
she had seen pretty much everything that

1296
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:11,200
flew her and her friend who was a belief

1297
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:13,930
she was a doctor from Belgium

1298
01:02:18,089 --> 01:02:15,490
they were going to the International

1299
01:02:22,770 --> 01:02:18,099
Khan courts to pick up a friend who was

1300
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:22,780
a pilot coming in from overseas so on

1301
01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:24,970
the way down on Mannheim they seen the

1302
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:27,790
object below the ceiling of clouds which

1303
01:02:33,569 --> 01:02:31,599
is about 6,000 feet of the ceiling was

1304
01:02:35,549 --> 01:02:33,579
about 6,000 feet by the way we're gonna

1305
01:02:36,299 --> 01:02:35,559
we're coming up on the ten-year

1306
01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:36,309
anniversary

1307
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:39,940
November 6 November 7 5/7 yeah it was

1308
01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:43,690
new thousand six but about was about 420

1309
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:47,260
or so in the afternoon right and so

1310
01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:48,910
they're watching this thing it was a

1311
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:50,980
said it was clearly visible this thing

1312
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:53,530
was they're sitting there and so they

1313
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:55,210
got off getting to the Conchords there

1314
01:02:58,319 --> 01:02:57,010
are other people out there they didn't

1315
01:03:00,839 --> 01:02:58,329
have to point anything out they were

1316
01:03:03,450 --> 01:03:00,849
watching him and they says and they were

1317
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:03,460
videoing them people were taking

1318
01:03:09,059 --> 01:03:07,150
photographs and that's why we were so

1319
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:09,069
surprised that we really didn't get our

1320
01:03:14,370 --> 01:03:11,410
share of video or photographs out of out

1321
01:03:16,109 --> 01:03:14,380
of that sighting the other thing is the

1322
01:03:19,799 --> 01:03:16,119
use are getting our hands on the

1323
01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:19,809
security camera footage so either way

1324
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:21,460
all this stuff you know people say well

1325
01:03:26,099 --> 01:03:23,710
that wasn't even photograph oh no it

1326
01:03:30,780 --> 01:03:26,109
actually was photograph the pilot who

1327
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:30,790
was at the c-17 gate c-17 they were

1328
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:32,819
going to be pushed back pretty soon and

1329
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:35,650
you know one of the I believe it was the

1330
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:38,079
copilot at a camera took some pictures

1331
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:41,890
so there were pictures taken a few were

1332
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:44,890
submitted to mark Alyn over and above

1333
01:03:51,030 --> 01:03:47,440
top-secret and that's actually how I got

1334
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,040
the the witness as I'd called him

1335
01:03:56,940 --> 01:03:52,960
because I read some something on the

1336
01:03:58,859 --> 01:03:56,950
blog and also noted it she said there

1337
01:04:01,020 --> 01:03:58,869
was photographs being there were

1338
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:01,030
photographs taken and that a photograph

1339
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:03,970
was submitted to above top-secret that

1340
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:06,609
seemed to be legit so I looked at it and

1341
01:04:12,809 --> 01:04:09,520
the thing is if we don't have a chain of

1342
01:04:16,589 --> 01:04:12,819
custody we don't know who had it can't

1343
01:04:20,339 --> 01:04:16,599
examine the camera etc basically all it

1344
01:04:22,410 --> 01:04:20,349
is is a Dilla stration at that point but

1345
01:04:25,230 --> 01:04:22,420
it's a very good illustration and that

1346
01:04:27,810 --> 01:04:25,240
is specifically what she said she saw

1347
01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:27,820
from the air kind of course looking up

1348
01:04:33,210 --> 01:04:30,070
and she said that object was there for

1349
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:33,220
some period of time then at a very steep

1350
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:36,250
angle or a very slight angle excuse me

1351
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,130
had shot up straight through the the

1352
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:41,440
cloud nearly straight up leaving a

1353
01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:44,170
gaping hole to the blue sky above right

1354
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:46,990
and if you get a chance to actually look

1355
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:51,130
at that the technical report and the

1356
01:04:56,250 --> 01:04:53,290
site and dr. Haynes did a great job and

1357
01:04:58,170 --> 01:04:56,260
everybody else putting it together you

1358
01:05:02,100 --> 01:04:58,180
could actually see what it would take to

1359
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:02,110
displace that much vapor in an instance

1360
01:05:08,250 --> 01:05:05,770
and now that's all science there and

1361
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:08,260
it's very impressive and though it

1362
01:05:12,450 --> 01:05:11,050
doesn't stay you know by analyzing that

1363
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:12,460
that it's something from out of this

1364
01:05:16,890 --> 01:05:13,210
world

1365
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:16,900
it is a it would be by our understanding

1366
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:19,770
of conventional technology a pretty

1367
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:23,050
difficult task for anything conventional

1368
01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:27,370
to do right now ok one of the things I

1369
01:05:32,010 --> 01:05:29,020
have mentioned on this show in the past

1370
01:05:33,450 --> 01:05:32,020
and and I'll just run it by you to get

1371
01:05:35,220 --> 01:05:33,460
your your thoughts on it

1372
01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:35,230
so there was something like a dozen or

1373
01:05:41,010 --> 01:05:38,320
so United Airlines employees that watch

1374
01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:41,020
this thing steadily for the five or so

1375
01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:46,030
minutes before it shot up and they were

1376
01:05:51,330 --> 01:05:48,700
told not to say anything now the one of

1377
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:51,340
the things I think about is the airline

1378
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:54,490
business in general I'm not talking

1379
01:05:59,130 --> 01:05:56,770
about pilots have it pretty tough

1380
01:06:01,830 --> 01:05:59,140
because they have to watch what they say

1381
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:01,840
but there are like flight attendants and

1382
01:06:08,810 --> 01:06:05,170
other crew ground crews stuff like that

1383
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:08,820
and nobody stays at that job

1384
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:12,190
there's a lot of in and out a lot of

1385
01:06:16,860 --> 01:06:14,470
open and closed doors in that field so

1386
01:06:19,290 --> 01:06:16,870
people will leave their job and I'm just

1387
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:19,300
wondering what your thoughts are why

1388
01:06:25,020 --> 01:06:22,540
nobody has come forward past employee of

1389
01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:25,030
United at the time why nobody has come

1390
01:06:30,690 --> 01:06:26,950
forward yet a witness and actually

1391
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:30,700
talked about it directly well we had 14

1392
01:06:41,460 --> 01:06:37,920
you know John Hill kovitch because it

1393
01:06:44,930 --> 01:06:41,470
was right in the Tribune and I think

1394
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:44,940
about the same number two with spoke to

1395
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:48,760
dr. Haynes I've interviewed four people

1396
01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:51,089
since that you know since the first

1397
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:54,430
since the original event that that first

1398
01:07:00,960 --> 01:06:56,230
witnessed the last time I spoke to her I

1399
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,970
think was February 26th or 24th and I

1400
01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:02,319
don't even know if she's alive she was

1401
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:04,270
very ill at that time and gone through

1402
01:07:12,210 --> 01:07:08,710
some surgery but Linda Moulton Howe I

1403
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:12,220
also spoke to her but we we did speak to

1404
01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:15,970
a few other people that were at the gate

1405
01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:16,900
c-17

1406
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,750
and pretty much the same thing the only

1407
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:21,760
difference is I was getting a better

1408
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:24,609
idea from two other individuals as to

1409
01:07:30,750 --> 01:07:28,210
the size and it was large it could have

1410
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:30,760
been you know 60 feet or so in diameter

1411
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:33,520
it wasn't all that small it could be it

1412
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:36,599
could have been larger than initially

1413
01:07:43,319 --> 01:07:39,280
what we may have thought it could have

1414
01:07:45,420 --> 01:07:43,329
been larger so I mean the thing is as

1415
01:07:48,690 --> 01:07:45,430
time progresses and of course this was

1416
01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:48,700
the largest UAL was during just getting

1417
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:50,500
out of bankruptcy at that time in

1418
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:52,210
February and it was the largest

1419
01:08:02,099 --> 01:07:58,960
bankruptcy at that time of a an airline

1420
01:08:04,170 --> 01:08:02,109
so of course I think they encouraged

1421
01:08:06,569 --> 01:08:04,180
people to shut their yaps because they

1422
01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:06,579
didn't want to be known you know take on

1423
01:08:11,370 --> 01:08:09,190
a new marketing scheme as being the you

1424
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:11,380
know the airlines that really caters to

1425
01:08:17,789 --> 01:08:13,990
some out of the this world customers or

1426
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:17,799
service so yeah I think that was maybe

1427
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:21,759
smart or very cautious on on their side

1428
01:08:28,559 --> 01:08:24,730
and if it wasn't for John Hill kovitch

1429
01:08:31,950 --> 01:08:28,569
the story I think would never broke he

1430
01:08:33,090 --> 01:08:31,960
you know of course asked called up there

1431
01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:33,100
and said of this

1432
01:08:36,959 --> 01:08:34,870
was there anything to this and of course

1433
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:36,969
they said no and then he said well I'll

1434
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:39,520
just you know request a FOIA and then

1435
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:40,930
all of a sudden I got a call back and

1436
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:43,089
yes there were safety concerns and yes

1437
01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:45,370
people did come forward because it was a

1438
01:08:50,099 --> 01:08:48,150
safety issue its class Class B airspace

1439
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:50,109
nothing should be flying around out

1440
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:52,810
there without a transponder you know so

1441
01:08:57,570 --> 01:08:53,650
sorry

1442
01:08:59,940 --> 01:08:57,580
yeah there were concerns and things did

1443
01:09:02,040 --> 01:08:59,950
change the patterns did change a little

1444
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:02,050
bit there was some backup but but this

1445
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:03,670
you know the bottom line is none of this

1446
01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:05,770
months to come forward they want to

1447
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:09,940
brush this under the rug and and for

1448
01:09:14,790 --> 01:09:11,890
good reason people get concerned about

1449
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:14,800
it yeah I think it's interesting because

1450
01:09:21,630 --> 01:09:18,880
that that is one of the only case that I

1451
01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:21,640
can think of where it was right in the

1452
01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:25,180
airspace right over a gate you know I

1453
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:27,880
can't think of any other case you know

1454
01:09:33,930 --> 01:09:29,890
there's a purported case where of course

1455
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:33,940
one landed at and an Air Force Base you

1456
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:37,420
know but this one just with the

1457
01:09:42,690 --> 01:09:40,090
witnesses it's it's just to me it's one

1458
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:42,700
of the it's one of the top top sightings

1459
01:09:50,130 --> 01:09:45,130
I know it didn't last very long but just

1460
01:09:52,050 --> 01:09:50,140
the you know the witnesses and the

1461
01:09:54,150 --> 01:09:52,060
description and how they all matched and

1462
01:09:58,350 --> 01:09:54,160
I think I had someone on the show a

1463
01:10:00,990 --> 01:09:58,360
while back where they said that they had

1464
01:10:04,410 --> 01:10:01,000
a witness come forward that was actually

1465
01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:04,420
flying in and he kept his ticket just so

1466
01:10:10,110 --> 01:10:06,040
he could prove that he saw this thing

1467
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,120
from the air and indeed the flight

1468
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:12,880
Peregrine was right and everything so

1469
01:10:16,140 --> 01:10:14,770
you never know someone could come

1470
01:10:17,310 --> 01:10:16,150
forward they were told not to talk about

1471
01:10:20,820 --> 01:10:17,320
it

1472
01:10:22,620 --> 01:10:20,830
could come forward and speak publicly

1473
01:10:25,260 --> 01:10:22,630
about it I think that would be really

1474
01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:25,270
good if that happens someday well I find

1475
01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:27,550
it interesting that you know in was a

1476
01:10:37,260 --> 01:10:32,380
2008 January of 2008 or February we had

1477
01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:37,270
a it was February I believe I'd be

1478
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:38,950
wearing March it was still snowing

1479
01:10:42,540 --> 01:10:40,810
effect we had a blizzard that day we had

1480
01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:42,550
a an event

1481
01:10:49,170 --> 01:10:46,420
Radek er myself and Ted Phillips we had

1482
01:10:53,700 --> 01:10:49,180
him calling in on the line a few other

1483
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:53,710
folks we had a presentation at that buck

1484
01:11:00,990 --> 01:10:55,570
it was at Harper College up there they

1485
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:01,000
have a big Center it's beautiful and one

1486
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:02,530
of the people showed up in this

1487
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:05,440
miserable blizzard was a nine year old

1488
01:11:11,130 --> 01:11:07,420
nurse with just

1489
01:11:13,980 --> 01:11:11,140
you know just love the subject and I

1490
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:13,990
gave the presentation talking about the

1491
01:11:18,030 --> 01:11:16,330
sighting you know the case and she came

1492
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:18,040
up to me afterwards and she goes Sam you

1493
01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:20,410
know I've dealt with so many so many

1494
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,840
pilots because this is what I did and

1495
01:11:27,710 --> 01:11:24,640
you know why they don't want to talk to

1496
01:11:29,550 --> 01:11:27,720
you realized a grueling paperwork and

1497
01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:29,560
interrogations they have to go through a

1498
01:11:36,290 --> 01:11:33,220
medical experience you know the they

1499
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:36,300
have to be analyzed psychologically

1500
01:11:41,010 --> 01:11:38,530
because this is why it's just

1501
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:41,020
intimidating the other thing is it stays

1502
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:43,510
on your record you don't yell on it on

1503
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:46,090
your record yeah I mean it's a game

1504
01:11:49,710 --> 01:11:46,690
changer

1505
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:49,720
it's it could destroy your credibility

1506
01:11:56,910 --> 01:11:53,520
or reputation your career that's right I

1507
01:12:00,830 --> 01:11:56,920
I have a friend that I hadn't spoken to

1508
01:12:06,510 --> 01:12:00,840
in a number of years that is a pilot and

1509
01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:06,520
he is I believe somewhere stationed

1510
01:12:13,730 --> 01:12:08,830
basically overseas working for some

1511
01:12:16,170 --> 01:12:13,740
foreign airline an interesting guy and

1512
01:12:17,970 --> 01:12:16,180
we would have conversations back and

1513
01:12:20,460 --> 01:12:17,980
forth um I used to know him when he was

1514
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:20,470
in the area we lived near each other and

1515
01:12:29,460 --> 01:12:23,460
we hung out a few times a fun guy

1516
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,470
so I emailed him and we had this email

1517
01:12:34,980 --> 01:12:31,120
exchange going back and forth and then I

1518
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:34,990
said hey by the way can you tell me if

1519
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:37,960
you or any of your you know friend

1520
01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:39,930
pilots ever had a UFO sighting I've

1521
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:43,990
never heard from him again that was it

1522
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:47,770
Wow yeah yeah there's about it it's

1523
01:12:50,910 --> 01:12:49,450
taboo you know for some people

1524
01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:50,920
especially if they had their own

1525
01:12:57,530 --> 01:12:53,350
experiences one of our very own

1526
01:13:01,950 --> 01:12:57,540
investigators came onboard and he was a

1527
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:01,960
air traffic controller in Puerto Rico

1528
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:09,310
and it they saw a object large disc

1529
01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:13,840
large come out of the water and into the

1530
01:13:19,839 --> 01:13:17,680
sky and hover and just take off and that

1531
01:13:22,030 --> 01:13:19,849
just blew them away

1532
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,040
and he really didn't want to go into all

1533
01:13:31,450 --> 01:13:24,800
that much detail publicly ever about

1534
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:31,460
this and but I guess his manager you

1535
01:13:39,010 --> 01:13:34,210
know the chief or whoever was in charge

1536
01:13:42,069 --> 01:13:39,020
said that this was not all that uncommon

1537
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:42,079
and they were seen but they don't report

1538
01:13:50,530 --> 01:13:46,880
it and it's just boom so it and you know

1539
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:50,540
one of the one of our guys here he has a

1540
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:53,840
background in radar he was on the Kitty

1541
01:14:00,760 --> 01:13:57,440
Hawk during the Vietnam War and he just

1542
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:00,770
loves any UFO and aviation type cases

1543
01:14:06,939 --> 01:14:03,530
and he found a whole bunch of very

1544
01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:06,949
unusual cases that took place during

1545
01:14:15,010 --> 01:14:10,310
that time but the shoot darn orders into

1546
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:15,020
the 50s here and in Illinois he had some

1547
01:14:20,830 --> 01:14:19,010
very interesting cases and I have you

1548
01:14:21,459 --> 01:14:20,840
ever had Frank Vashi Nerul on - yes

1549
01:14:26,740 --> 01:14:21,469
uh-huh

1550
01:14:33,729 --> 01:14:26,750
he does the monster the what am I

1551
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:33,739
thinking of the he's up he's someone

1552
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:36,110
that has written a book and talks about

1553
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:38,290
the something Woods flatwoods monster

1554
01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:42,800
yep yeah that's where it's his mother's

1555
01:14:49,780 --> 01:14:45,260
I think it's another side the family is

1556
01:14:53,530 --> 01:14:49,790
up there and Frank is just one really

1557
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:53,540
interesting guy and detailed oh my gosh

1558
01:14:59,680 --> 01:14:57,170
I found him yeah he was a character oh

1559
01:15:02,950 --> 01:14:59,690
he's a blast guys something else we had

1560
01:15:06,189 --> 01:15:02,960
him out here twice we just enjoy him and

1561
01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:06,199
his mom she was talking to her she was

1562
01:15:13,419 --> 01:15:10,030
was a lot of fun wonderful people and

1563
01:15:17,020 --> 01:15:13,429
just down-to-earth you know and but

1564
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:17,030
knows how to do research he had tons of

1565
01:15:23,229 --> 01:15:20,480
data and that whole shoot down order

1566
01:15:26,109 --> 01:15:23,239
during that period of time I'm wondering

1567
01:15:30,850 --> 01:15:26,119
if it still stands I don't I don't think

1568
01:15:33,020 --> 01:15:30,860
so but I I'm curious to find out you

1569
01:15:35,780 --> 01:15:33,030
know if it is or isn't

1570
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:35,790
I don't know now up on the message board

1571
01:15:41,690 --> 01:15:39,290
a good point was talking about airline

1572
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:41,700
pilots captains or whatever look what

1573
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:45,930
happened to the Japanese crew of the

1574
01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:49,590
Japanese pilots Terry's Terry youichi

1575
01:15:58,180 --> 01:15:53,820
whatever is in reach in 1628 JJ yeah an

1576
01:16:01,100 --> 01:15:58,190
airline that I would love to have

1577
01:16:04,090 --> 01:16:01,110
someone on to talk about that so that's

1578
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:04,100
citing to me is one of the best ones and

1579
01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:08,610
I'm trying to remember the FAA a guy

1580
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:11,400
that does talk about Jack Elliott yeah

1581
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:15,210
yeah Callahan right that whole case is

1582
01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:17,730
so fascinating it's one of it to me one

1583
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:20,100
of the you know we talked about O'Hare

1584
01:16:27,650 --> 01:16:25,190
this I consider that a major incident

1585
01:16:29,150 --> 01:16:27,660
and we look what did happen to him he

1586
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:29,160
had to take a desk job

1587
01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:31,890
oh sure hang on Sam we have an incoming

1588
01:16:39,710 --> 01:16:35,150
call let's see who I was talk to us

1589
01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:39,720
hello this is uh whoops see there he's

1590
01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:42,780
persons you there hi there how you doing

1591
01:16:45,730 --> 01:16:43,950
you're on the air

1592
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:45,740
what's your name were you calling from

1593
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:48,330
its dock from England again how are you

1594
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,530
Martin Hey

1595
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:52,080
from England doc how are you ron was Sam

1596
01:16:55,940 --> 01:16:54,810
moranto you have a question for him what

1597
01:16:59,450 --> 01:16:55,950
it's not so much it's more of an

1598
01:17:01,970 --> 01:16:59,460
observation couple of things I actually

1599
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:01,980
have a sighting right near an airport

1600
01:17:04,460 --> 01:17:04,290
and there was a group of us we all saw

1601
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:04,470
it

1602
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:07,440
not one of us took our camera we just

1603
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,530
stood there and stared it and it was

1604
01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:12,480
just everyone was like looking each

1605
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:14,520
other and like did you just see what I

1606
01:17:18,350 --> 01:17:16,170
saw across the flight path of an

1607
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:18,360
aircraft and they were all the same

1608
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:22,170
but none of us today I took eight hours

1609
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:24,330
out the second thing that I was like to

1610
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,130
say and you know I'm a professional

1611
01:17:30,890 --> 01:17:29,040
videographer and the first thing would

1612
01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:30,900
happen to me if I sometimes ink we might

1613
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:33,780
put them is it'll be like because I'm a

1614
01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:39,330
professional oh yeah yeah the more the

1615
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:41,310
more credibility in a more experience

1616
01:17:46,340 --> 01:17:44,250
you have it seems that it diminishes in

1617
01:17:46,919 --> 01:17:46,350
the eyes of the public that's very

1618
01:17:49,410 --> 01:17:46,929
interesting

1619
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:49,420
and you know what else Martin well your

1620
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:52,030
point there about not you know just

1621
01:17:55,950 --> 01:17:53,440
don't want to take your eyes off it

1622
01:17:58,169 --> 01:17:55,960
I am guilty I will swear I am guilty I

1623
01:18:01,470 --> 01:17:58,179
had a sighting both Julie and I have an

1624
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:01,480
orange orb in Orland Park May I think it

1625
01:18:08,399 --> 01:18:05,050
was the 3rd was a Friday at 9:40 in 2003

1626
01:18:11,070 --> 01:18:08,409
and that orb sat there in a 23 mile an

1627
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:11,080
hour winds static in the sky and do you

1628
01:18:16,890 --> 01:18:13,810
know I couldn't even blink I didn't have

1629
01:18:19,290 --> 01:18:16,900
any sort of camera yeah but I I couldn't

1630
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:19,300
even blink so my friend I am as guilty

1631
01:18:28,890 --> 01:18:25,120
as the rest of us so yes I my eyes were

1632
01:18:30,780 --> 01:18:28,900
watering so bad I couldn't blink I swear

1633
01:18:33,330 --> 01:18:30,790
I kept them open for seven minutes

1634
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:33,340
because that's almost exactly how long

1635
01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:35,920
we observed it and sat there perfectly

1636
01:18:41,370 --> 01:18:38,710
still static in the sky as orange

1637
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:41,380
reddish orange the Setting Sun nothing

1638
01:18:47,370 --> 01:18:43,570
in the sky looks like that and there was

1639
01:18:49,410 --> 01:18:47,380
just these discharges looking like

1640
01:18:52,140 --> 01:18:49,420
fireworks shooting off all around it and

1641
01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:52,150
that there was some oozing which was

1642
01:18:58,020 --> 01:18:54,070
another type of discharge on the bottom

1643
01:19:01,649 --> 01:18:58,030
and then it took off in a space south by

1644
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:01,659
south westerly direction and it as it

1645
01:19:07,169 --> 01:19:04,810
was going it transformed its color range

1646
01:19:10,260 --> 01:19:07,179
which was really interesting as far as

1647
01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:10,270
some idea of telling what sort of energy

1648
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:14,260
may be involved here and we watched it

1649
01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:15,760
for approximately seven minutes and I

1650
01:19:23,310 --> 01:19:18,670
swear I didn't blink my eyes had a

1651
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:23,320
sokham after that hey dark out over in

1652
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:25,210
England what time you got over there

1653
01:19:33,419 --> 01:19:30,010
right now in the morning I thought so

1654
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,429
now you yourself do some type of filming

1655
01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:35,440
while you're planning on doing some type

1656
01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:38,409
of filming or something yeah well I've

1657
01:19:45,390 --> 01:19:42,280
got two cameras one is the sony alpha 7s

1658
01:19:47,340 --> 01:19:45,400
rather than XF 200 most of my work is

1659
01:19:49,020 --> 01:19:47,350
corporate based so I basically stand the

1660
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:49,030
back at conferences being really bored

1661
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:52,960
but quite often but there at the camera

1662
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:57,370
the designs really sir they can do like

1663
01:20:03,379 --> 01:20:00,880
being almost zero like shooting

1664
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:03,389
one of them was the definely was bought

1665
01:20:10,260 --> 01:20:06,670
because I'd welcome short films and in

1666
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:10,270
them at nighttime it's fantastic here

1667
01:20:13,979 --> 01:20:11,860
really clean images with it

1668
01:20:16,169 --> 01:20:13,989
and that was the idea I know I live in a

1669
01:20:19,260 --> 01:20:16,179
senator town right the light pollution

1670
01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:19,270
is just dreadful so what I want to try

1671
01:20:24,750 --> 01:20:21,310
and do is produce something so people

1672
01:20:26,370 --> 01:20:24,760
can see how the principles of night

1673
01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:26,380
filling works with professional

1674
01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:30,070
equipment and that that was the battle

1675
01:20:33,149 --> 01:20:30,760
plan

1676
01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:33,159
I reach the airport the officer has to

1677
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:36,520
do sky watching but it's just it's

1678
01:20:40,140 --> 01:20:37,690
bigger than where I live I just cannot

1679
01:20:41,340 --> 01:20:40,150
get anywhere without getting all the

1680
01:20:43,740 --> 01:20:41,350
light pollution as soon as you open up

1681
01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:43,750
the camera to the light you start to

1682
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:46,630
hear that orange glow of like street

1683
01:20:51,810 --> 01:20:49,360
lights just flooding in so it's quite

1684
01:20:52,260 --> 01:20:51,820
difficult where I am but yeah that's

1685
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:52,270
what I do

1686
01:20:59,399 --> 01:20:56,080
have anything else for a guest this

1687
01:21:02,189 --> 01:20:59,409
evening no that's fine thanks let you

1688
01:21:03,810 --> 01:21:02,199
know and see what happen but well I will

1689
01:21:05,129 --> 01:21:03,820
leave him alone three mothers one of the

1690
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:05,139
people I was working with that day we

1691
01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:07,840
had a slicing he'd actually even a

1692
01:21:11,820 --> 01:21:09,550
student coming from window he's been in

1693
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:11,830
the country for but they in it was his

1694
01:21:20,780 --> 01:21:13,570
second day in the country and he said to

1695
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:23,310
thank you fun all right hey thanks for

1696
01:21:31,020 --> 01:21:26,770
the ride doc all right okay oops I just

1697
01:21:33,090 --> 01:21:31,030
cut him off a little short so Sam you

1698
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:33,100
wanted to there was something you

1699
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:35,730
mentioned that you wanted to talk about

1700
01:21:42,990 --> 01:21:37,690
earlier and I'm trying to remember what

1701
01:21:46,020 --> 01:21:43,000
it was when we were speaking si o si s

1702
01:21:49,050 --> 01:21:46,030
l's yeah yeah Chinese sky lanterns you

1703
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:49,060
know you know Venus's was the Nemesis

1704
01:21:56,459 --> 01:21:52,480
four years yeah fill class I think or

1705
01:22:04,919 --> 01:21:56,469
that out too in fact he you know the

1706
01:22:06,990 --> 01:22:04,929
late great Phil glass you there Sam you

1707
01:22:15,210 --> 01:22:11,189
Sam your internet I know you uh you had

1708
01:22:17,970 --> 01:22:15,220
trouble with it before let's see if we

1709
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:17,980
get you back here alright hang on

1710
01:22:23,610 --> 01:22:21,850
everyone we're trying Sam his internet

1711
01:22:26,370 --> 01:22:23,620
went out don't fret though because I

1712
01:22:28,350 --> 01:22:26,380
have a backup number if I can't get

1713
01:22:31,860 --> 01:22:28,360
through to him we'll just give it a try

1714
01:22:34,590 --> 01:22:31,870
here for a second you know for all I

1715
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:34,600
know sim could be still talking and have

1716
01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:36,730
no idea that he's not online are you

1717
01:22:42,990 --> 01:22:40,990
there Sam you there Sam yes I'm back ok

1718
01:22:44,670 --> 01:22:43,000
I was just saying you could be talking

1719
01:22:48,450 --> 01:22:44,680
constantly and have no idea you were

1720
01:22:51,150 --> 01:22:48,460
offline yes I was like what was that ok

1721
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:51,160
but Phil class said that that was Venus

1722
01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:54,010
was what the officers down in Southern

1723
01:22:59,850 --> 01:22:56,260
Illinois were saying and and I guess

1724
01:23:01,500 --> 01:22:59,860
that was what Nancy carpenter was also

1725
01:23:05,550 --> 01:23:01,510
videotaping because now we have a

1726
01:23:07,620 --> 01:23:05,560
videotape that was taken that evening so

1727
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:07,630
I guess Venus was up in the air doing

1728
01:23:14,190 --> 01:23:10,510
all sorts of interesting things but you

1729
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:14,200
know the so-called skeptics could say

1730
01:23:19,530 --> 01:23:16,690
anything cuz they people are so anxious

1731
01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:19,540
to get their hands on some sort of

1732
01:23:25,140 --> 01:23:22,270
prosaic explanation so they could you

1733
01:23:27,930 --> 01:23:25,150
know despotic alee you know say AHA told

1734
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:27,940
you see there are no such things UFOs

1735
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:31,210
yeah and therefore I could go back to my

1736
01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:33,970
comfort of ignorance and and you know

1737
01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:38,620
dispel that I think I think we can also

1738
01:23:44,850 --> 01:23:40,720
shoot ourselves in the foot to when

1739
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:44,860
there is a prosaic answer for something

1740
01:23:52,110 --> 01:23:48,970
and there's a denial factor with with

1741
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:52,120
all some people you know so I can kind

1742
01:23:58,650 --> 01:23:55,810
of understand but I do think you know I

1743
01:24:01,440 --> 01:23:58,660
can understand part of when someone you

1744
01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:01,450
know just wants to just discount

1745
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:03,220
something without really looking into it

1746
01:24:09,780 --> 01:24:07,020
I do think though if someone is

1747
01:24:11,850 --> 01:24:09,790
open-minded and they're interested in

1748
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:11,860
the subject then they will take more of

1749
01:24:16,620 --> 01:24:14,800
a look but if they're open-minded that

1750
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,630
not interest in the subject they may

1751
01:24:21,390 --> 01:24:18,880
just still discount it as very possible

1752
01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:21,400
all it takes is objectivity and and

1753
01:24:27,150 --> 01:24:24,670
that's all you have to have you know

1754
01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:27,160
back to the whole issue of dichotomy you

1755
01:24:31,810 --> 01:24:28,910
have the skeptic and you have to believe

1756
01:24:35,860 --> 01:24:31,820
you have the person that is everything

1757
01:24:39,220 --> 01:24:35,870
every unusual story and unless we have

1758
01:24:41,620 --> 01:24:39,230
evidence all it is is a story it has to

1759
01:24:44,260 --> 01:24:41,630
have something more embankment of stance

1760
01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:44,270
to substantiate it and again that going

1761
01:24:48,970 --> 01:24:46,550
back to the various types you have a

1762
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:48,980
scenario with very good physical trace

1763
01:24:54,700 --> 01:24:51,770
evidence phenomenal trace evidence like

1764
01:24:57,850 --> 01:24:54,710
the veljohnson case but you don't have

1765
01:25:00,670 --> 01:24:57,860
another witness especially an

1766
01:25:04,210 --> 01:25:00,680
independent witness to cook you know

1767
01:25:06,610 --> 01:25:04,220
corroborate the the scenario that yes

1768
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:06,620
this did thing did hit him somebody

1769
01:25:12,940 --> 01:25:10,000
without any sort of interest whatsoever

1770
01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:12,950
then you have a mass sighting like

1771
01:25:18,610 --> 01:25:15,710
Tinley Park but you don't have physical

1772
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:18,620
evidence per se on the volume of like

1773
01:25:25,090 --> 01:25:21,010
the veljohnson case but you have a

1774
01:25:29,380 --> 01:25:25,100
multiplicity of other things you have a

1775
01:25:32,530 --> 01:25:29,390
radio transmission and interferences you

1776
01:25:35,050 --> 01:25:32,540
have photographs you have video you have

1777
01:25:37,170 --> 01:25:35,060
you know at least a thousand witnesses

1778
01:25:42,370 --> 01:25:37,180
over a hundred so it's a mass sighting

1779
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:42,380
then you have a case like like Fatima

1780
01:25:47,260 --> 01:25:44,930
you know the UAP unidentified aerial

1781
01:25:50,410 --> 01:25:47,270
phenomena even though it gets scooped up

1782
01:25:52,930 --> 01:25:50,420
into her religious concept the bottom

1783
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:52,940
line is it's still a UAP and it has

1784
01:25:58,290 --> 01:25:55,610
pretty much everything but nobody has

1785
01:26:02,320 --> 01:25:58,300
anything more than this one picture

1786
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:02,330
right so you you have this whole range

1787
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:05,210
of of different things and then you get

1788
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:07,370
now mind you you're working with these

1789
01:26:13,390 --> 01:26:09,650
things and then you have the person that

1790
01:26:15,610 --> 01:26:13,400
calls you up or leaves a report in a CMS

1791
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:15,620
stating that you know I have this

1792
01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:17,570
feeling that I've been abducted

1793
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:22,070
because you know my pen was moved I

1794
01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:24,530
found it in a wrong place or some stupid

1795
01:26:30,430 --> 01:26:28,240
thing or I saw this light in the sky and

1796
01:26:33,070 --> 01:26:30,440
it's there again tonight

1797
01:26:34,990 --> 01:26:33,080
in the same spot and I'm getting strange

1798
01:26:40,900 --> 01:26:35,000
thoughts in my head you know what I'm

1799
01:26:42,610 --> 01:26:40,910
saying - right yeah it still would have

1800
01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:42,620
a field day with that

1801
01:26:48,460 --> 01:26:45,340
so the bottom line is is yeah I mean I

1802
01:26:50,710 --> 01:26:48,470
don't want a cater to anyone's notion of

1803
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:50,720
what it is I just want to follow the

1804
01:26:59,080 --> 01:26:52,810
evidence and let it speak for itself

1805
01:27:03,460 --> 01:26:59,090
right and there I'm trying to think of

1806
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:03,470
who the new fill glass is so you know

1807
01:27:07,930 --> 01:27:05,090
there's there's a michael shermer

1808
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:07,940
there's there's a lot of people involved

1809
01:27:14,020 --> 01:27:10,730
in you know the skeptics movement so to

1810
01:27:18,580 --> 01:27:14,030
speak and it's really pretty solid in

1811
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:18,590
the in the college you know Oh big time

1812
01:27:25,180 --> 01:27:22,610
genre big big big big time in fact I had

1813
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:25,190
the opportunity to speak before one

1814
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:27,770
group out in Illinois and a skeptics

1815
01:27:35,260 --> 01:27:31,610
group III and I love it mm-hmm and I

1816
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,270
have no problem with that but you have

1817
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:38,000
like folks like Neil you know Tyson Neil

1818
01:27:43,210 --> 01:27:41,360
- yeah us and he basically is the you

1819
01:27:45,790 --> 01:27:43,220
know I forgot about him but you're right

1820
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:45,800
yeah he's the spokesman science you know

1821
01:27:52,540 --> 01:27:49,610
in that and that real orthodoxy of it

1822
01:27:55,300 --> 01:27:52,550
has to be this way type of scenario that

1823
01:27:57,610 --> 01:27:55,310
the figurehead of science has changed

1824
01:28:00,520 --> 01:27:57,620
throughout time you know and and there

1825
01:28:03,790 --> 01:28:00,530
always has to be a figurehead Carl Sagan

1826
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:03,800
was really the first honest-to-goodness

1827
01:28:09,930 --> 01:28:06,530
celebrity after Einstein but in the in

1828
01:28:12,490 --> 01:28:09,940
the realm of who's gonna be the next

1829
01:28:16,180 --> 01:28:12,500
figurehead it was gonna be a spokesman

1830
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:16,190
for science it was him it was Carl Sagan

1831
01:28:21,310 --> 01:28:19,610
and with the demise you know after he

1832
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:21,320
passed and everything I think they were

1833
01:28:26,380 --> 01:28:22,970
running about to find somebody

1834
01:28:28,780 --> 01:28:26,390
comparable and I think Seth really

1835
01:28:31,710 --> 01:28:28,790
filled the shoes for the longest period

1836
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:31,720
of time I think

1837
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:34,880
michio kaku was there for a while until

1838
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:37,850
they realized you couldn't put the reins

1839
01:28:40,570 --> 01:28:40,010
on him and it wasn't going to be there

1840
01:28:43,450 --> 01:28:40,580
boy

1841
01:28:46,300 --> 01:28:43,460
he's very serious about his research and

1842
01:28:50,740 --> 01:28:46,310
it may cross swords with the orthodoxies

1843
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:50,750
and now Neil is that person who would be

1844
01:28:57,390 --> 01:28:53,360
front and center to be the spokesman for

1845
01:29:01,450 --> 01:28:57,400
that very strict

1846
01:29:04,270 --> 01:29:01,460
be at orthodoxy or skeptic or pseudo

1847
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:04,280
skeptic whatever and then you have

1848
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:07,010
course Michael Shermer who has skeptic

1849
01:29:12,610 --> 01:29:10,370
magazine and then you have the old guard

1850
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:12,620
you have in fact we ran into him and I

1851
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:14,210
spent a lot of time with Robert

1852
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:16,970
Schaeffer and I enjoy Robert and I

1853
01:29:22,780 --> 01:29:20,480
haven't had even a chance to meet James

1854
01:29:25,810 --> 01:29:22,790
maga he would really enjoy him he's a

1855
01:29:27,610 --> 01:29:25,820
very good astronomer and though I don't

1856
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:27,620
agree with them when it comes to some of

1857
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:29,840
these views but it's in their own right

1858
01:29:34,450 --> 01:29:31,760
as far as their disciplines are they're

1859
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:34,460
brilliant men and then of course Joe

1860
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:36,530
Nichols who was a you know good

1861
01:29:40,150 --> 01:29:37,970
investigator and does a lot of great

1862
01:29:43,770 --> 01:29:40,160
work too but in the same tone I would

1863
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:43,780
agree with them on some of their

1864
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:45,890
interpretations of these of all these

1865
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:50,210
cases some of them yes of course yes you

1866
01:29:58,210 --> 01:29:54,650
know they can Oh someone has a question

1867
01:30:01,810 --> 01:29:58,220
up here let's see do you have to know

1868
01:30:04,330 --> 01:30:01,820
anything about the three Canadian guys

1869
01:30:06,250 --> 01:30:04,340
that were out hunting and the crazy

1870
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,260
scope sighting I think he's talking

1871
01:30:10,030 --> 01:30:08,480
about the one where the guy I'm dumb the

1872
01:30:11,710 --> 01:30:10,040
tree and was there all night I'm not

1873
01:30:16,420 --> 01:30:11,720
really sure are you familiar with that

1874
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:16,430
one doesn't come to mind yeah no problem

1875
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:18,050
it's just a question on the message

1876
01:30:26,590 --> 01:30:24,110
board so Neil deGrasse Tyson I have

1877
01:30:29,770 --> 01:30:26,600
heard him talk about UFOs before totally

1878
01:30:35,460 --> 01:30:29,780
discounting them like they're you know

1879
01:30:40,230 --> 01:30:35,470
ridiculous and the thing that always

1880
01:30:42,820 --> 01:30:40,240
crosses my mind is there must be some

1881
01:30:45,220 --> 01:30:42,830
for someone like him they must have some

1882
01:30:48,250 --> 01:30:45,230
little bit of curiosity about it oh I'm

1883
01:30:51,370 --> 01:30:48,260
sure but I think the fact that he is you

1884
01:30:54,010 --> 01:30:51,380
know he is very instrumental and and

1885
01:30:57,130 --> 01:30:54,020
works the consultant NASA so he's read

1886
01:31:01,170 --> 01:30:57,140
into a lot of things and I think he has

1887
01:31:03,790 --> 01:31:01,180
to maintain a certain posture sure and

1888
01:31:07,390 --> 01:31:03,800
you know the thing is in maintaining

1889
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:07,400
posture in a public view when you're

1890
01:31:11,129 --> 01:31:09,290
doing investigative work when you're

1891
01:31:13,450 --> 01:31:11,139
doing things

1892
01:31:15,370 --> 01:31:13,460
you know different with different titles

1893
01:31:18,549 --> 01:31:15,380
or whatever you have to maintain a

1894
01:31:20,799 --> 01:31:18,559
certain posture now I could get is off

1895
01:31:22,989 --> 01:31:20,809
the you know off on a beaten path

1896
01:31:25,330 --> 01:31:22,999
talking about some of the most bizarre

1897
01:31:27,819 --> 01:31:25,340
things when it comes to this subject

1898
01:31:30,069 --> 01:31:27,829
matter because it is bizarre and I've

1899
01:31:31,989 --> 01:31:30,079
had enough experience with it to state

1900
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:31,999
that you know yes these things do take

1901
01:31:37,810 --> 01:31:35,840
place and they are bizarre is there a

1902
01:31:41,649 --> 01:31:37,820
correlation with them say for instance

1903
01:31:43,810 --> 01:31:41,659
the tie in to say for instance something

1904
01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:43,820
along the line of something like Telep

1905
01:31:48,549 --> 01:31:46,729
telepathy which of course would be you

1906
01:31:50,290 --> 01:31:48,559
know everybody would say now they're

1907
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:50,300
campaigning correlation and apparently

1908
01:31:55,299 --> 01:31:52,400
there is something there or there may be

1909
01:31:58,719 --> 01:31:55,309
something there but time and time again

1910
01:32:01,209 --> 01:31:58,729
we hear about that and so that sounds a

1911
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:01,219
little too far-fetched for the first

1912
01:32:06,609 --> 01:32:04,130
person on say a a level one coming into

1913
01:32:08,500 --> 01:32:06,619
first take a peek at the subject you

1914
01:32:11,379 --> 01:32:08,510
don't want to drive them away our

1915
01:32:13,779 --> 01:32:11,389
concern or our concern should be is

1916
01:32:18,250 --> 01:32:13,789
getting more people at least to put

1917
01:32:20,890 --> 01:32:18,260
their toe in you know into the water and

1918
01:32:23,020 --> 01:32:20,900
and test it first and we take a look at

1919
01:32:26,830 --> 01:32:23,030
the subject matter and don't scare them

1920
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:26,840
away with all the truly bizarre aspects

1921
01:32:32,919 --> 01:32:30,650
to it but let them basically understand

1922
01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:32,929
first of all foremost that the phenomena

1923
01:32:40,989 --> 01:32:35,510
is genuine and is probably the most

1924
01:32:43,779 --> 01:32:40,999
important subject on a larger scope than

1925
01:32:46,899 --> 01:32:43,789
anything that could ever they could ever

1926
01:32:49,299 --> 01:32:46,909
get into and the subject matter has more

1927
01:32:53,879 --> 01:32:49,309
about us than it is about whatever it is

1928
01:32:55,959 --> 01:32:53,889
playing around or visiting right right

1929
01:33:00,850 --> 01:32:55,969
someone put up on the message board

1930
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:00,860
James Oberg also as a debunker and if

1931
01:33:06,759 --> 01:33:04,130
he's the one I think he is he looks like

1932
01:33:09,489 --> 01:33:06,769
an angry guy do you know who he is

1933
01:33:11,859 --> 01:33:09,499
oh that's James McGaha but James Oberg

1934
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:11,869
or he actually does work with NASA and

1935
01:33:18,850 --> 01:33:14,210
he's a consultant for right he's a

1936
01:33:22,859 --> 01:33:18,860
consultant for NBC right on a night when

1937
01:33:24,450 --> 01:33:22,869
I worked with Dateline we did the 10

1938
01:33:33,370 --> 01:33:24,460
best

1939
01:33:35,859 --> 01:33:33,380
UFOs oh yes

1940
01:33:38,049 --> 01:33:35,869
and he was one of the individuals that

1941
01:33:42,750 --> 01:33:38,059
was on the other side that's right and

1942
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:42,760
so was Robert Schaffer and of course

1943
01:33:50,290 --> 01:33:45,489
Michael Shermer in fact Michael Shermer

1944
01:33:52,750 --> 01:33:50,300
said the ferry he he they showed him

1945
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:52,760
saying the statement that was my first

1946
01:33:56,410 --> 01:33:54,800
statement when I sat down and was on

1947
01:33:59,049 --> 01:33:56,420
camera which was any three points of

1948
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:59,059
light automatically makes a triangle so

1949
01:34:01,660 --> 01:34:00,800
your eyes can play tricks tricks on you

1950
01:34:04,089 --> 01:34:01,670
and that's something you have to pay

1951
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:04,099
attention to all the time and he

1952
01:34:07,660 --> 01:34:05,690
mentioned that but they didn't have me

1953
01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:07,670
making that statement what they wanted

1954
01:34:14,379 --> 01:34:10,159
me to do they were waiting for me to say

1955
01:34:16,780 --> 01:34:14,389
the e word and I was a time yeah I don't

1956
01:34:19,569 --> 01:34:16,790
as you know I that's something that

1957
01:34:22,030 --> 01:34:19,579
doesn't come out of my mouth very often

1958
01:34:25,330 --> 01:34:22,040
and I sat there i swear for about two

1959
01:34:29,109 --> 01:34:25,340
hours before I put it into a very well

1960
01:34:32,919 --> 01:34:29,119
constructed compound sentence and they

1961
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:32,929
edited it so they could only get it may

1962
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:36,320
very well be something extraterrestrial

1963
01:34:42,939 --> 01:34:39,199
or something along that line but they

1964
01:34:44,799 --> 01:34:42,949
chopped that up so bad and but that's

1965
01:34:45,490 --> 01:34:44,809
the you know that's basically how it

1966
01:34:47,740 --> 01:34:45,500
goes

1967
01:34:49,899 --> 01:34:47,750
and I talked to the producer I says you

1968
01:34:52,569 --> 01:34:49,909
know well why are they coming on board

1969
01:34:54,609 --> 01:34:52,579
they go it has to be balanced so I

1970
01:34:56,649 --> 01:34:54,619
talked to router Gary well what do they

1971
01:34:59,379 --> 01:34:56,659
mean by balanced he goes the host Sam

1972
01:35:00,700 --> 01:34:59,389
that means are gonna chop it up they're

1973
01:35:04,689 --> 01:35:00,710
gonna take what you know they're gonna

1974
01:35:08,020 --> 01:35:04,699
forfeit some of the material and you

1975
01:35:09,370 --> 01:35:08,030
know give them rain now we started to

1976
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:09,380
talk about the Chinese lanterns and

1977
01:35:15,549 --> 01:35:11,840
never went anywhere oh yeah

1978
01:35:19,660 --> 01:35:15,559
so I think along with the Chinese

1979
01:35:22,060 --> 01:35:19,670
lanterns and we also have drones the

1980
01:35:22,859 --> 01:35:22,070
things that are against the ufology

1981
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:22,869
today

1982
01:35:27,580 --> 01:35:26,000
drones are probably the biggest one now

1983
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:27,590
the Chinese lanterns we have have

1984
01:35:32,379 --> 01:35:30,050
formulas and we trained people to I mean

1985
01:35:34,569 --> 01:35:32,389
I could look at footage and just by

1986
01:35:38,530 --> 01:35:34,579
analyzing the footage get the weather

1987
01:35:42,630 --> 01:35:38,540
data pretty much discounted you know yes

1988
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:42,640
there is a video that someone sent me on

1989
01:35:49,060 --> 01:35:46,370
YouTube and it's clearly Chinese

1990
01:35:53,110 --> 01:35:49,070
lanterns and the people seeing them are

1991
01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:53,120
just freaking out like oh they just you

1992
01:35:59,650 --> 01:35:56,000
know like screaming and like that it's a

1993
01:36:01,960 --> 01:35:59,660
UFO so I understand I saw

1994
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:01,970
I've personally have seen Chinese

1995
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:05,090
lanterns during fourth of July a few

1996
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:07,970
years ago and I understand why people

1997
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:12,080
mistake them because they're quite the

1998
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:15,530
quite amazing oh yeah when you see in

1999
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:17,090
them floating up you know and all

2000
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:18,890
they're gorgeous yeah and and you could

2001
01:36:23,980 --> 01:36:22,250
see them at a distance you know people

2002
01:36:27,130 --> 01:36:23,990
were saying you know the Tinley Park

2003
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:27,140
lights were Flair's fact Michael Shermer

2004
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:29,450
II thought it was eliminations of flares

2005
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:33,170
you know on balloons and but he didn't

2006
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:35,360
understand the weather didn't understand

2007
01:36:39,970 --> 01:36:37,610
didn't review the footage didn't

2008
01:36:41,890 --> 01:36:39,980
understand things were perfectly static

2009
01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:41,900
hovering didn't break the geometric

2010
01:36:47,860 --> 01:36:44,450
pattern only the perspective of the

2011
01:36:51,340 --> 01:36:47,870
observer of the camera and would be the

2012
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:51,350
alteration of the design then you know

2013
01:36:55,420 --> 01:36:53,210
the fact that it would you know this was

2014
01:36:58,060 --> 01:36:55,430
being seen not just here but around the

2015
01:37:00,430 --> 01:36:58,070
world and recorded around the world we

2016
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:00,440
had footage from here British Columbia

2017
01:37:05,380 --> 01:37:02,810
there was a sighting in the Aegean Sea

2018
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:05,390
and then we had footage from Melbourne

2019
01:37:10,090 --> 01:37:07,520
the next day all within the scope of our

2020
01:37:12,580 --> 01:37:10,100
investigation which was 72 hours Wow

2021
01:37:16,990 --> 01:37:12,590
and you know all this stuff was analyzed

2022
01:37:18,730 --> 01:37:17,000
by multiple groups independently and now

2023
01:37:22,810 --> 01:37:18,740
what we're gonna be doing is placing

2024
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:22,820
this into a documentary this was just

2025
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:26,090
purely the scientific laying it out from

2026
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:28,930
a three dimensional type evaluation and

2027
01:37:34,750 --> 01:37:32,930
I think it's gonna be great it's going

2028
01:37:36,670 --> 01:37:34,760
to take some time but it's gonna be

2029
01:37:39,010 --> 01:37:36,680
great it's gonna be one heck of a

2030
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:39,020
production when do you think that'll

2031
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:40,480
actually be available to the public

2032
01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:44,930
probably two years yeah so it's a two

2033
01:37:50,900 --> 01:37:48,320
years 18 months 24 months I just

2034
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:50,910
recently had a text

2035
01:37:57,050 --> 01:37:54,690
and forthwith James Fox just because

2036
01:38:00,040 --> 01:37:57,060
Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse who does music

2037
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:00,050
for our show offered to do the music for

2038
01:38:05,900 --> 01:38:03,930
701 what James Fox is coming out with so

2039
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:05,910
I texted him and said hey do you have

2040
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:07,770
music needs to check back in a year and

2041
01:38:17,480 --> 01:38:13,920
a half so you know okay so these things

2042
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:17,490
do take a ton of time to do and of

2043
01:38:21,410 --> 01:38:20,370
course I'm also in touch with Randy

2044
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:21,420
Nickerson

2045
01:38:26,660 --> 01:38:25,170
for the Ariel school documentary that

2046
01:38:29,660 --> 01:38:26,670
he's been making that's been going on

2047
01:38:34,490 --> 01:38:29,670
for seven years he is a perfectionist

2048
01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:34,500
yes does phenomenal work his photography

2049
01:38:40,220 --> 01:38:36,510
is amazing oh gosh I was just watching

2050
01:38:44,030 --> 01:38:40,230
I'm taking multiple multiple multiple

2051
01:38:45,770 --> 01:38:44,040
takes on just one segment or a sequence

2052
01:38:47,630 --> 01:38:45,780
that he was going to put together like

2053
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:47,640
oh this guy's perfectionist I like his

2054
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:50,970
work yeah that'll be in fact James Fox

2055
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:53,090
James is very good too in fact I

2056
01:38:58,760 --> 01:38:55,890
presented it to him to work with me

2057
01:39:00,500 --> 01:38:58,770
years ago and then it was before his

2058
01:39:03,980 --> 01:39:00,510
father passed away and I haven't talked

2059
01:39:07,700 --> 01:39:03,990
to him in ages I it's been ages

2060
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:07,710
mm-hmm yep yeah I expect it out of the

2061
01:39:12,830 --> 01:39:10,290
blue is one of my very favorite movies

2062
01:39:14,990 --> 01:39:12,840
people asked me what my favorite and so

2063
01:39:17,300 --> 01:39:15,000
there you go that's one of my very

2064
01:39:18,650 --> 01:39:17,310
favorites one 7:01 supposed to be

2065
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:18,660
wrapped up what are they saying that's

2066
01:39:22,370 --> 01:39:20,970
well he basically said check back for a

2067
01:39:24,020 --> 01:39:22,380
year and a half for the music so I'm

2068
01:39:28,750 --> 01:39:24,030
guessing it's probably going to be a

2069
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:28,760
couple years at least hmm and what what

2070
01:39:34,220 --> 01:39:31,410
you know that the you have to have

2071
01:39:35,420 --> 01:39:34,230
funding to move ahead with any type of

2072
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:35,430
when you're getting into

2073
01:39:40,010 --> 01:39:36,810
so films I know we're getting way off

2074
01:39:42,530 --> 01:39:40,020
topic here but you have to have tons of

2075
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:42,540
funding because you're you know just a

2076
01:39:47,420 --> 01:39:43,770
little bit of background that I know

2077
01:39:50,810 --> 01:39:47,430
about you know film your editing alone

2078
01:39:55,580 --> 01:39:50,820
can cost you a small fortune our large

2079
01:39:57,860 --> 01:39:55,590
fortune monster money and using I mean

2080
01:40:00,360 --> 01:39:57,870
just getting the use of the studio's

2081
01:40:03,090 --> 01:40:00,370
getting the people in there to do it

2082
01:40:05,580 --> 01:40:03,100
you know right now I'm just in getting

2083
01:40:07,950 --> 01:40:05,590
the getting the information together

2084
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:07,960
lining up the people that's gonna take a

2085
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:11,250
year the actual shooting I mean and then

2086
01:40:17,610 --> 01:40:15,040
that's the fun part yeah lying laying

2087
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:17,620
everything out getting your it's a pain

2088
01:40:24,570 --> 01:40:22,000
in the neck yeah but I remember we were

2089
01:40:26,670 --> 01:40:24,580
we were working with I was working on

2090
01:40:28,580 --> 01:40:26,680
you have owners out here and running

2091
01:40:31,140 --> 01:40:28,590
around getting you know running with the

2092
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:31,150
doing logistics with the logistics

2093
01:40:35,340 --> 01:40:33,730
director and getting pulling permits and

2094
01:40:37,620 --> 01:40:35,350
doing all this stuff and getting that

2095
01:40:42,270 --> 01:40:37,630
calling making sure we have this site to

2096
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:42,280
use getting that getting air hangers

2097
01:40:45,930 --> 01:40:43,810
airplane hangars that we were supposed

2098
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:45,940
to go to I forgot work they originally

2099
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:47,770
had like oh no no no you'll never get in

2100
01:40:51,690 --> 01:40:49,570
there and I had a change that around

2101
01:40:54,180 --> 01:40:51,700
last minute and run out here run out

2102
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:54,190
there and then then weather is always a

2103
01:41:01,470 --> 01:40:58,000
factor we had a storm when we were doing

2104
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:01,480
that to invasion Illinois in Tinley Park

2105
01:41:06,570 --> 01:41:03,850
when we did the experiment and we went

2106
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:06,580
out oh boy way out southwest from here

2107
01:41:13,020 --> 01:41:10,090
and we had tornadoes come through three

2108
01:41:14,940 --> 01:41:13,030
tornadoes were just a few miles away boy

2109
01:41:19,290 --> 01:41:14,950
these guys from California never seen

2110
01:41:19,890 --> 01:41:19,300
anything like this and wow it was

2111
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:19,900
frightening

2112
01:41:28,110 --> 01:41:23,710
so yeah this a lot never think of that

2113
01:41:31,620 --> 01:41:28,120
part so we did talk about Tinley Park

2114
01:41:35,370 --> 01:41:31,630
couple times but for the new listener

2115
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:35,380
that is not familiar with that case can

2116
01:41:41,340 --> 01:41:37,330
you actually talk about it a little bit

2117
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:41,350
oh sure the first mass sighting date was

2118
01:41:46,290 --> 01:41:44,050
August the 21st which was the air and

2119
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:46,300
water show Chicago air and water should

2120
01:41:52,650 --> 01:41:47,530
I believe it was three million people

2121
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:52,660
downtown that day and it was a perfect

2122
01:41:55,740 --> 01:41:53,650
evening

2123
01:41:57,710 --> 01:41:55,750
I should say near perfect cuz I didn't

2124
01:42:01,500 --> 01:41:57,720
get a chance to actually go off enjoy it

2125
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:01,510
and people were having these barbecues a

2126
01:42:06,630 --> 01:42:04,480
lot of block parties going on and then

2127
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,640
of course in Tinley Park at that time

2128
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:08,320
they had the Midwest Center which I

2129
01:42:14,189 --> 01:42:09,930
think was a tweeter center at that time

2130
01:42:16,759 --> 01:42:14,199
which is a big outdoor concert center

2131
01:42:20,729 --> 01:42:16,769
Ozzy Osbourne was playing that's right

2132
01:42:25,580 --> 01:42:20,739
we had so much activity in and about the

2133
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:25,590
area and these illuminations showed up

2134
01:42:32,339 --> 01:42:30,400
around 10 o'clock and sat there over the

2135
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,349
community and traversed over the

2136
01:42:36,930 --> 01:42:34,719
community but that but they were you

2137
01:42:38,939 --> 01:42:36,940
know in British Columbia earlier they

2138
01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:38,949
were in the Aegean they were seeing out

2139
01:42:47,819 --> 01:42:43,260
that way they were seen in New York and

2140
01:42:50,069 --> 01:42:47,829
it just sat there in a sky and by the

2141
01:42:54,589 --> 01:42:50,079
the funny thing is you know air traffic

2142
01:42:58,259 --> 01:42:54,599
out here we have what 32 our ports and

2143
01:43:03,719 --> 01:42:58,269
small airports heliports and medevac I

2144
01:43:05,250 --> 01:43:03,729
think it's 32 in this area so besides

2145
01:43:07,979 --> 01:43:05,260
you know you know we're talking already

2146
01:43:10,919 --> 01:43:07,989
thinks of the big airports but Illinois

2147
01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:10,929
had and the Northwest Indiana area has

2148
01:43:15,169 --> 01:43:12,729
quite a bit of stuff as far as when it

2149
01:43:19,229 --> 01:43:15,179
comes to airports a medevac and

2150
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:19,239
heliports anyways no air traffic while

2151
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:21,130
these illuminations were sitting there

2152
01:43:25,739 --> 01:43:21,760
in the sky

2153
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:25,749
zero none and that lasted for well over

2154
01:43:32,699 --> 01:43:28,570
an hour and a half nearly two hours and

2155
01:43:36,660 --> 01:43:32,709
then after they cleared the area normal

2156
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,670
normal activity took place very unusual

2157
01:43:41,660 --> 01:43:38,800
that is hilly strange and has anyone

2158
01:43:46,890 --> 01:43:41,670
ever tried to figure out exactly why

2159
01:43:51,569 --> 01:43:46,900
well that first night I didn't request a

2160
01:43:54,509 --> 01:43:51,579
FOIA on the radar data but of course

2161
01:43:58,469 --> 01:43:54,519
they came back again of all nights on

2162
01:44:02,209 --> 01:43:58,479
Halloween night and Halloween night was

2163
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:02,219
the unusual far more unusual one because

2164
01:44:11,689 --> 01:44:08,050
we had multiple types of you AP's up

2165
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:11,699
there multiple types UFOs whatever and

2166
01:44:17,969 --> 01:44:15,760
we had the orange orb being seen the

2167
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:17,979
east side of the city in the town

2168
01:44:23,429 --> 01:44:21,010
Portland hills or the park one gentleman

2169
01:44:27,279 --> 01:44:23,439
had it over his house and if he says Sam

2170
01:44:29,410 --> 01:44:27,289
it as big as my house it was huge

2171
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:29,420
and he thought that is what everybody

2172
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:32,090
else was saying and it wasn't the

2173
01:44:40,089 --> 01:44:35,210
triangular object was further east at

2174
01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:40,099
that very same time over by his near the

2175
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:43,030
Oak Park Avenue and further east and

2176
01:44:49,419 --> 01:44:46,690
traversing north east to south east and

2177
01:44:52,359 --> 01:44:49,429
then there were three other objects seen

2178
01:44:56,589 --> 01:44:52,369
earlier a horseshoe tape shaped object

2179
01:45:00,430 --> 01:44:56,599
with a boom and a round sphere on top of

2180
01:45:01,930 --> 01:45:00,440
it a gentleman seen that it was directly

2181
01:45:05,229 --> 01:45:01,940
over his head he got out of his truck

2182
01:45:09,069 --> 01:45:05,239
and that was a very interesting report

2183
01:45:12,939 --> 01:45:09,079
and those objects are actually seeing

2184
01:45:15,970 --> 01:45:12,949
with the mass of triangles and it's part

2185
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:15,980
of its it's actually covered in Dave

2186
01:45:20,319 --> 01:45:18,650
Marley's book by the large triangles and

2187
01:45:23,049 --> 01:45:20,329
he has these other objects that are

2188
01:45:26,649 --> 01:45:23,059
associated with large object the large

2189
01:45:31,089 --> 01:45:26,659
isosceles and other types of triangular

2190
01:45:32,879 --> 01:45:31,099
craft these massive ones so we had a it

2191
01:45:36,490 --> 01:45:32,889
was like a used-car lot up there

2192
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:36,500
unidentified objects going on that day

2193
01:45:42,189 --> 01:45:40,400
and it was chaos the poor police

2194
01:45:43,899 --> 01:45:42,199
department they were getting calls left

2195
01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:43,909
and right people were stopping in the

2196
01:45:50,319 --> 01:45:46,510
middle of the street I mean it was nuts

2197
01:45:54,189 --> 01:45:50,329
I bet well but that night was the night

2198
01:45:55,990 --> 01:45:54,199
that TJ was was was filming and I think

2199
01:45:58,120 --> 01:45:56,000
you've seen the footage were I've got it

2200
01:46:01,149 --> 01:45:58,130
I've got it on today yeah you always got

2201
01:46:03,609 --> 01:46:01,159
the airplane the jet airliners flying

2202
01:46:05,919 --> 01:46:03,619
and he thought of cut between them the

2203
01:46:07,689 --> 01:46:05,929
object was was oh I don't even know how

2204
01:46:09,759 --> 01:46:07,699
many miles two and a half miles three

2205
01:46:12,549 --> 01:46:09,769
miles away from him from where this

2206
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:12,559
plane actually was and he didn't know

2207
01:46:16,689 --> 01:46:14,480
that but we knew it because we had

2208
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:16,699
multiple sets of footage all

2209
01:46:26,069 --> 01:46:20,000
simultaneously being shot showing that

2210
01:46:30,430 --> 01:46:26,079
that was the case so boy it was just one

2211
01:46:32,500 --> 01:46:30,440
interesting scenario of a mass sighting

2212
01:46:35,470 --> 01:46:32,510
probably one of the best would video

2213
01:46:38,319 --> 01:46:35,480
footage and it's a sleeper I really

2214
01:46:41,069 --> 01:46:38,329
haven't gone crazy as far as going with

2215
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:41,079
the publicity on it but when you look at

2216
01:46:48,449 --> 01:46:45,760
you remember that big green oh the

2217
01:46:49,919 --> 01:46:48,459
United States map of locations of the

2218
01:46:52,589 --> 01:46:49,929
best sightings of most amount of

2219
01:46:54,569 --> 01:46:52,599
sightings and Illinois was was right

2220
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:54,579
there and the reason why was the Tinley

2221
01:47:01,259 --> 01:46:59,199
Park case and that wasn't the only mass

2222
01:47:04,979 --> 01:47:01,269
sighting we had during you know the

2223
01:47:07,979 --> 01:47:04,989
early part of the of 2000 we had the

2224
01:47:11,579 --> 01:47:07,989
Rockford sighting which was pretty much

2225
01:47:14,819 --> 01:47:11,589
the same vehicles and then the southern

2226
01:47:17,369 --> 01:47:14,829
illinois case which came on the heels of

2227
01:47:20,399 --> 01:47:17,379
that case that was january 4th and 5th

2228
01:47:23,849 --> 01:47:20,409
and the ones up in Rockford that mass

2229
01:47:27,149 --> 01:47:23,859
sighting took place on Christmas Eve and

2230
01:47:28,770 --> 01:47:27,159
- excuse me New Year's Eve into two

2231
01:47:30,779 --> 01:47:28,780
years afterwards they had sightings up

2232
01:47:36,869 --> 01:47:30,789
there and they do correlate with the

2233
01:47:39,989 --> 01:47:36,879
Carteret sightings in July of 2000 and I

2234
01:47:42,119 --> 01:47:39,999
believe was 2001 so I mean these objects

2235
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:42,129
were seen in and about the area around

2236
01:47:47,459 --> 01:47:44,050
that period of time throughout the

2237
01:47:50,810 --> 01:47:47,469
throughout the country Wow now what

2238
01:47:54,659 --> 01:47:50,820
about just to switch gears a little bit

2239
01:47:56,639 --> 01:47:54,669
because I know of generally the location

2240
01:48:00,179 --> 01:47:56,649
where you're at I have spent a lot of

2241
01:48:04,169 --> 01:48:00,189
time out in the Chicago area what about

2242
01:48:08,279 --> 01:48:04,179
the Great Lakes as far as sightings go

2243
01:48:11,969 --> 01:48:08,289
oh boy there's been I remember talking

2244
01:48:14,009 --> 01:48:11,979
to one guy and this gentleman called me

2245
01:48:16,409 --> 01:48:14,019
up because he was watching UFO hunters

2246
01:48:17,969 --> 01:48:16,419
and they had invasion Illinois they had

2247
01:48:20,399 --> 01:48:17,979
the Tinley Park case he calls me up he

2248
01:48:22,919 --> 01:48:20,409
goes that you on television I go yes he

2249
01:48:25,379 --> 01:48:22,929
goes tell you what those aren't three

2250
01:48:27,929 --> 01:48:25,389
objects it's one huge object and I've

2251
01:48:31,079 --> 01:48:27,939
seen it I've seen it up here in

2252
01:48:32,609 --> 01:48:31,089
Wisconsin up by Red Mountain and he was

2253
01:48:34,469 --> 01:48:32,619
telling about all of his experiences

2254
01:48:37,709 --> 01:48:34,479
that he had seen he says one time he was

2255
01:48:39,719 --> 01:48:37,719
on Lake Michigan and he had a house

2256
01:48:42,689 --> 01:48:39,729
relatively close to the lake and so he

2257
01:48:46,349 --> 01:48:42,699
was on the shore and he says this huge

2258
01:48:48,839 --> 01:48:46,359
UFO came right out of the water and then

2259
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:48,849
another one often the distance came up

2260
01:48:53,969 --> 01:48:51,129
two of them and they took off and that

2261
01:48:54,830 --> 01:48:53,979
wasn't the first time that or the last

2262
01:48:59,180 --> 01:48:54,840
time that he had

2263
01:49:01,670 --> 01:48:59,190
come out of the water UFO sightings in

2264
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:01,680
about the lakes you know Michigan had

2265
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:05,610
Grant had Haven had some phenomenal

2266
01:49:13,850 --> 01:49:10,770
sightings out there and in the 1990s it

2267
01:49:16,700 --> 01:49:13,860
was phenomenal I mean this was some of

2268
01:49:22,180 --> 01:49:16,710
the great sightings and of course we had

2269
01:49:25,550 --> 01:49:22,190
the the 1966 sightings up there in

2270
01:49:28,180 --> 01:49:25,560
Dexter and Ann Arbor that really changed

2271
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:28,190
the course of ufology those sightings

2272
01:49:33,710 --> 01:49:32,130
those were mass sightings and I'm not

2273
01:49:35,570 --> 01:49:33,720
generally with those can you can you

2274
01:49:39,710 --> 01:49:35,580
talk about that a little bit sure sure

2275
01:49:42,620 --> 01:49:39,720
that was the swamp gas sigh yes mm-hmm

2276
01:49:44,990 --> 01:49:42,630
and one word J Allen Hynek said that it

2277
01:49:49,070 --> 01:49:45,000
was swamp gas yep he came in from

2278
01:49:51,500 --> 01:49:49,080
Arizona in fact I think I think check

2279
01:49:55,250 --> 01:49:51,510
the lake met him up here too but they

2280
01:49:57,050 --> 01:49:55,260
came in and he was told to basically

2281
01:49:59,810 --> 01:49:57,060
bury this under the rug he had gotten a

2282
01:50:02,240 --> 01:49:59,820
call and they said you know hey let's

2283
01:50:05,690 --> 01:50:02,250
get this buried let's do something with

2284
01:50:09,140 --> 01:50:05,700
it and he comes up with the term you

2285
01:50:11,810 --> 01:50:09,150
know it was swamp gas and in later I

2286
01:50:14,180 --> 01:50:11,820
remember one interview he said that and

2287
01:50:16,430 --> 01:50:14,190
it was that time it was at that moment

2288
01:50:19,670 --> 01:50:16,440
that I realized that this will be the

2289
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:19,680
last time I will pull a chestnut out of

2290
01:50:24,260 --> 01:50:22,050
the fire for the Air Force

2291
01:50:28,940 --> 01:50:24,270
that's a quote yeah I've heard that

2292
01:50:31,940 --> 01:50:28,950
before yes and very interesting man you

2293
01:50:34,490 --> 01:50:31,950
know Michigan had tremendous amount of

2294
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:34,500
sight as they still do are the chief

2295
01:50:40,100 --> 01:50:37,010
investigator there is the head of our

2296
01:50:42,110 --> 01:50:40,110
triage in fact he'll be doing the

2297
01:50:46,010 --> 01:50:42,120
presentation with me on the veljohnson

2298
01:50:50,450 --> 01:50:46,020
caissons dumper seventeenth at our state

2299
01:50:51,890 --> 01:50:50,460
meeting and I mean we try to you know me

2300
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:51,900
I like to try to get along but everybody

2301
01:50:56,420 --> 01:50:53,970
and get overly involved in doing a

2302
01:50:59,630 --> 01:50:56,430
project it's fun that way mm-hmm and

2303
01:51:01,220 --> 01:50:59,640
this guy dance no dance no is just like

2304
01:51:04,810 --> 01:51:01,230
one of the greatest people you could

2305
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:04,820
meet and hard-worker diligent scientific

2306
01:51:10,460 --> 01:51:08,730
investigator he's been he was field

2307
01:51:14,510 --> 01:51:10,470
- Gator of the year I think two years

2308
01:51:16,940 --> 01:51:14,520
ago for MUFON just one great guy and I'm

2309
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:16,950
so happy so proud to have him on our

2310
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:20,130
team I'll tell you so are the rest of

2311
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:23,489
the folks but yeah we have some great

2312
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:25,650
sightings and it's not just the Great

2313
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:27,330
Lakes some of the smaller lakes we've

2314
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:27,840
had

2315
01:51:32,570 --> 01:51:30,210
I remember initially come when I came on

2316
01:51:34,340 --> 01:51:32,580
board the assistant state director was

2317
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:34,350
talking about sightings down in southern

2318
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:36,090
Illinois I don't know if was leaked Karl

2319
01:51:42,110 --> 01:51:38,070
oil one of those like smaller lakes but

2320
01:51:44,540 --> 01:51:42,120
relatively large that objects were

2321
01:51:48,860 --> 01:51:44,550
seeing coming in and out of the lakes so

2322
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:48,870
you have that USO type phenomena here in

2323
01:51:56,180 --> 01:51:51,360
the Great Lake region and some of the

2324
01:52:01,600 --> 01:51:56,190
smaller lakes Wow yeah so we've got only

2325
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:01,610
about six or so minutes left and I

2326
01:52:06,590 --> 01:52:05,040
wanted to I wanted you to you said you

2327
01:52:09,410 --> 01:52:06,600
have this presentation coming up what

2328
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:09,420
else do you have coming up are you

2329
01:52:13,729 --> 01:52:10,530
involved

2330
01:52:15,890 --> 01:52:13,739
you already said in this this film and

2331
01:52:19,130 --> 01:52:15,900
that what else what else are you

2332
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:19,140
involved in coming up oh just few local

2333
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:21,330
speaking engagements nothing major at

2334
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:24,330
the moment and I that's rare I haven't

2335
01:52:31,250 --> 01:52:27,210
worked on any major projects in almost

2336
01:52:33,890 --> 01:52:31,260
two years right now so I've been laying

2337
01:52:35,330 --> 01:52:33,900
low but I'm gonna get back into you know

2338
01:52:38,150 --> 01:52:35,340
speaking and doing speaking

2339
01:52:39,860 --> 01:52:38,160
presentations I have one that's sitting

2340
01:52:43,970 --> 01:52:39,870
on the fence I don't know if I'm gonna

2341
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:43,980
talk about it for any speaking gauges so

2342
01:52:48,110 --> 01:52:45,810
if I do I'm just gonna have to wear

2343
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:48,120
armor because it is one of those

2344
01:52:55,820 --> 01:52:51,570
situations that you know it could just

2345
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:55,830
cost me my life I don't know yeah it's

2346
01:53:00,320 --> 01:52:58,080
it's one of those it would be an event

2347
01:53:03,290 --> 01:53:00,330
change or one of those what would change

2348
01:53:05,660 --> 01:53:03,300
the course of things well this may very

2349
01:53:08,180 --> 01:53:05,670
well do it and I don't know if I want to

2350
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:08,190
do it but if I don't there's still

2351
01:53:11,330 --> 01:53:09,930
enough other cases Tinley Park we're

2352
01:53:14,690 --> 01:53:11,340
gonna wrap that up we have some other

2353
01:53:17,540 --> 01:53:14,700
cases and at the book that I'm writing

2354
01:53:20,030 --> 01:53:17,550
and you know it's the it's I think I've

2355
01:53:22,580 --> 01:53:20,040
told you the title of it before social

2356
01:53:25,100 --> 01:53:22,590
response and it's going to be

2357
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:25,110
mass sightings in the potential of an

2358
01:53:27,740 --> 01:53:27,360
extraterrestrial hypotheses as far as

2359
01:53:32,090 --> 01:53:27,750
that goes

2360
01:53:36,020 --> 01:53:32,100
but it's gonna be gonna be a few other

2361
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:36,030
people involved in that and it's gonna

2362
01:53:42,740 --> 01:53:38,370
be pretty interesting it's gonna be more

2363
01:53:44,980 --> 01:53:42,750
of a social psychology type book but

2364
01:53:50,780 --> 01:53:44,990
hopefully I'll have that done before the

2365
01:53:54,410 --> 01:53:50,790
the movie or the documentary I clone it

2366
01:53:58,280 --> 01:53:54,420
that is a interesting lease sociological

2367
01:54:01,070 --> 01:53:58,290
aspect of any type of group situation

2368
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:01,080
totally changes oh god yes

2369
01:54:05,230 --> 01:54:02,610
you know and that you know the social

2370
01:54:08,180 --> 01:54:05,240
response the way the the entire

2371
01:54:12,050 --> 01:54:08,190
community reacts to it I mean down from

2372
01:54:14,810 --> 01:54:12,060
just individual to I know I think of the

2373
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:14,820
Rockford case police officers were told

2374
01:54:21,220 --> 01:54:18,810
not to even look at this object on and

2375
01:54:25,730 --> 01:54:21,230
on weird things

2376
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:25,740
the I know I out here we have a problem

2377
01:54:31,150 --> 01:54:28,800
with the I don't know what you would

2378
01:54:33,140 --> 01:54:31,160
call it radical Christian

2379
01:54:36,530 --> 01:54:33,150
fundamentalists where they actually

2380
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:36,540
protest I get protests I've had protests

2381
01:54:42,380 --> 01:54:41,250
at events I've had their Lily oh wow

2382
01:54:57,410 --> 01:54:42,390
yeah

2383
01:55:00,530 --> 01:54:57,420
like why and okay so it can someone

2384
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:00,540
actually reach out to you if say

2385
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:01,770
someone's listening in there and

2386
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:05,040
Illinois and first of all they would

2387
01:55:11,150 --> 01:55:07,050
contact you're the director of MUFON in

2388
01:55:13,190 --> 01:55:11,160
in Illinois yeah so how does up with

2389
01:55:15,020 --> 01:55:13,200
someone be able to reach you is they

2390
01:55:20,050 --> 01:55:15,030
could you know they could email me at

2391
01:55:23,210 --> 01:55:20,060
MUFON Sam wand at gmail.com

2392
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:23,220
okay MUFON one I'm sorry

2393
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:26,850
MUFON Sam Sam want at dan milne Elcom

2394
01:55:32,780 --> 01:55:30,450
yeah so and don't so there's someone

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01:55:34,830 --> 01:55:32,790
else out there named MUFON Sam because

2396
01:55:38,850 --> 01:55:34,840
you had to do with the number one huh

2397
01:55:41,550 --> 01:55:38,860
well I had it I had Comcast and when I

2398
01:55:43,820 --> 01:55:41,560
move they they end up they all don't

2399
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:43,830
worry you it'll be fine and well I lost

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01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:46,330
so much information I had to grab a

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01:55:52,140 --> 01:55:49,330
gmail account so it's gmail.com yeah

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01:55:54,690 --> 01:55:52,150
that's right all right well hey thank

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01:55:58,110 --> 01:55:54,700
thanks so much Sam it's been it's been a

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01:56:00,050 --> 01:55:58,120
real pleasure speaking to you as always

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01:56:05,450 --> 01:56:00,060
again I consider you a good friend and

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01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:05,460
same here and really enjoy seeing you

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01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:09,010
was really enjoying hanging out with you

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01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:11,530
out in Phoenix hopefully someday I hope

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01:56:16,260 --> 01:56:13,330
you get back out here to Chicago and we

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01:56:17,490 --> 01:56:16,270
could we see each other - yeah I had a

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01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,500
situation where I was going out there

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01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:19,840
two or three times a year at least and

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01:56:26,100 --> 01:56:23,530
up to up to four or five times and that

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01:56:30,330 --> 01:56:26,110
whole I was working an event out there

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01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:30,340
for doing actually antique appraisal

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01:56:36,210 --> 01:56:33,070
work at a big event that happened and

2417
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:36,220
that's that's not happening anymore so

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01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:38,290
but you never know I have a lot of

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01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:40,330
friends out there anyway so be good to

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01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:42,850
see us sometime oh yes yeah you take

2421
01:56:48,590 --> 01:56:45,730
care all right you too all right so

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01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:48,600
that's it for our guests this evening

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01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:51,520
and I want to thank a few people first

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01:56:58,020 --> 01:56:53,970
of all of course our guests Sam moranto

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01:57:00,930 --> 01:56:58,030
Alejandro Rojas for joining us for the

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01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:00,940
news at the beginning I also want to

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01:57:05,820 --> 01:57:03,010
thank Peggy shunning for managing the

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01:57:08,850 --> 01:57:05,830
Facebook page people that do the music

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01:57:11,450 --> 01:57:08,860
we have Bruce vernier and Carrie Lloyd

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01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:11,460
Whitehouse I want to thank them as well

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01:57:16,620 --> 01:57:14,530
next week's guest has not been confirmed

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01:57:18,750 --> 01:57:16,630
so it's gonna be a surprise guest but I

2433
01:57:20,610 --> 01:57:18,760
do tell people if you want to see who

2434
01:57:24,540 --> 01:57:20,620
the guests is all you have to generally

2435
01:57:28,530 --> 01:57:24,550
do is check the website podcast UFO calm

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01:57:30,930 --> 01:57:28,540
on Sunday I usually have the guest post

2437
01:57:33,180 --> 01:57:30,940
it at that time so all you have to do is

2438
01:57:35,580 --> 01:57:33,190
go to podcast UFO calm Sunday and again

2439
01:57:39,450 --> 01:57:35,590
you can email me with questions for the

2440
01:57:41,220 --> 01:57:39,460
guests at Martin at podcast UFO calm

2441
01:57:42,300 --> 01:57:41,230
thanks a lot everyone and if you're

2442
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:42,310
listening this far you're either

2443
01:57:47,410 --> 01:57:44,080
supporting the show or listening to it

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01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:47,420
free live

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01:57:51,340 --> 01:57:49,370
so I appreciate it and we'll see you